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October 2nd, 2009, 07:52 PM #41
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October 3rd, 2009, 10:04 PM #42
Re: Open carry and what you should know before you do it
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty
than to those attending too small a degree of it."~Thomas Jefferson, 1791
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October 3rd, 2009, 10:26 PM #43
Re: Open carry and what you should know before you do it
About two days ago I ran into a guy ordering food from a sandwich shop in Philadelphia.
I was standing behind him in line and I noticed that he kept putting his hand on top of his OC weapon holster. What was stranger, was that he kept pulling his shirt over the weapon, then he would raise up his shirt, then pull it back down. He did this a couple of times. This would not have bothered me much but it was about 3:30 pm and school kids stoping by to get something to eat surrounded us. He was attracting so much attention that it was driving me crazy.
After he ordered I asked the guy, "Hey what do you carry?" It was kind of my way of letting him know that he is making things too obvious and it was being noticed. I am all for OC/CC but here in Philadelphia you need a LTCF either way. There is no need to attract so much attention to yourself. The person told me it was a "40" and walked away. I wish I had a copy of the info posted in this thread to give the guy.
Great information. Thanks!Lest we Forget Sector 7 ZRT Join the Team
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October 4th, 2009, 12:32 AM #44
Re: Open carry and what you should know before you do it
Maybe he was nervous about OC'ing and couldn't decide if it was such a good idea or not? IDK, sounds a bit weird.
I would like to know why "school kids" being near by entered the equasion for you though. Why is it that kids being in the proximity of an armed citizen suddenly turns the situation into something inherently dangerous, but if it is a cop, all is well in the world? It is something that I have been unable to get my head around, no matter how many times, or from what angle, I study it...
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty
than to those attending too small a degree of it."~Thomas Jefferson, 1791
Hobson fundraiser Remember SFN Read before you Open Carry
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October 4th, 2009, 01:09 AM #45
Re: Open carry and what you should know before you do it
Well, the ordering window was about 5 feet high, the man was about 5 foot 6. The youth were basically at eye level to the weapon. All the youth where at close range within inches. At first I thought I thought that maybe hes just being over protective of his weapon. However, he kept pulling the shirt up, IMO trying to show off what he has to the kids. Or maybe it could have been a "hey dont dare mess with me, im packing type of thing".
I myself was CC at the time and felt comfortable. I have seen others OC and feel alright around kids. However, this young man kept touching his weapon, playing with his shirt, pulling his shirt up, pulling it back down, resting his elbow on the holster.
I just felt like there was something not right about this whole thing. When im surrounded by kids while im OC i act the way I would normally do any other day.
Nothing different, except that Im more prepared. I dont spend extra time to let the others around me know that I have a handgun. Especially since some of them already know because of my actions or the visual OC.
In the guy situation, all it would have taken is for a young 3rd grader to yell "Hes GOT A GUN" and who knows what would have happened next. If he had a LTCF at this point he should have observed the area and chosen to CC. If he decided to OP do it in a way that is natural. Make your weapon part of you.
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October 5th, 2009, 11:28 PM #46
Re: Open carry and what you should know before you do it
I wasn't there, so if you say there was something not right about what he was doing, I would have to go with your assessment.
As far as the kid thing goes, I understand what you said here, but I still get the sense from the original post, that the fact that kids were nearby turned the danger factor up, and I am not sure that what you posted in response clears that up.
We all can assume what would have happened, but what I am trying to figure out is why it would have happened. If some guy yelled out the same thing, there would very likely at least be an opportunity to give a calming answer. We all know that if a kid did it, they would have treated the guy like he was standing next to Obama and someone yelled it out.....
I have been trying to get a logical answer almost since I started posting on this forum, and have yet to receive one. I ask as a person who really has a soft spot for kids. I am the most protective person I know when it comes to little ones, my own, or anyone else's, and I can't imagine what goes through some people's minds when a gun is simply present and it isn't on a cop.
I guess I'll keep looking...
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty
than to those attending too small a degree of it."~Thomas Jefferson, 1791
Hobson fundraiser Remember SFN Read before you Open Carry
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October 6th, 2009, 04:09 PM #47
Re: Open carry and what you should know before you do it
Good Point. Its kind of hard for me to explain the event. I was happy to see someone OC in Philadelphia, you don't see to much of that around here.
I guess it was just the feeling that I had that something was just not right. I couldn't and still cant put my finger on it. Maybe it was just his nervous behavior, and your right it might have been is first time OC. Because of this my awareness increased and felt a danger level rise. I'm not saying its right, but it is a honest answer. Im also very protective of little ones. And his nervous behavior made me more defensive.
Im wondering if anyone else on this forum ever faced a situation like this.Lest we Forget Sector 7 ZRT Join the Team
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October 6th, 2009, 04:22 PM #48
Re: Open carry and what you should know before you do it
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October 6th, 2009, 04:34 PM #49
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October 6th, 2009, 05:07 PM #50
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