here one to get ya'll boys fired up

[enfieldshooter303]

http://shock.military.com/Shock/vide...RC=retirees.nl

[son of the revolution]

Well I saw two on the map in PA , one seemed pretty close to Scranton .


1) Maybe there should be a raid by patriots on one of em ?? is the ZRT Ready

2) Maybe we should just turn our own homegrown extremist militias loose on em and sell seats to the show ? Kind of how you put a child molester in Gen Pop and let the rest extract justice .

3) I personally hold ANY elected/appointed official responsible if they know of this and do nothing about it .

[CommonHighrise]

Scares me badly.

Not because of only what these groups can do, but the ease of which the media could represent us as the very same domestic terrorists, instead of the champions and defenders of the constitution.

[son of the revolution]

Very true , it can be a double edged sword , but regardless these outfits CANNOT be allowed to continue to operate . Did we learn NOTHING from 9-11 ?

[NY Refugee]

The funny thing is if this was white christian militia the main stream media would be all over it, but because of the political correctness BS they run like rabbits.
Simply amazing.

[Bug44]

I thought I saw obama in one of the videos... uhh ohh...

[CommonHighrise]

Noticed a few odd things. He refused to elaborate on their WMDs. He refused to take up the hosts suggestion of telling the American public that these are extremist Muslim terrorist organizations that will strike on US soil, against US civilians. When he said he showed the video to heads of the camps, asking them to condone or condemn it, he only said none of them would condemn it, no mention of condoning or a gray area. I see nothing in the video that I haven't seen underground US militia organizations doing, except the people doing it are a different color.

Yeah, just too much fish in that video to give me a clear cut idea of what exactly is going on. Reeks of hype.

[son of the revolution]

Noticed a few odd things. He refused to elaborate on their WMDs. He refused to take up the hosts suggestion of telling the American public that these are extremist Muslim terrorist organizations that will strike on US soil, against US civilians. When he said he showed the video to heads of the camps, asking them to condone or condemn it, he only said none of them would condemn it, no mention of condoning or a gray area. I see nothing in the video that I haven't seen underground US militia organizations doing, except the people doing it are a different color.

Yeah, just too much fish in that video to give me a clear cut idea of what exactly is going on. Reeks of hype.

Oh Cmon ! Not condemning it IS condoning it ! Its a non answer designed with enough wiggle room to drive a tank through . None of those " leaders " is going to risk ostracizing themselves ( or worse ) by going on the record against the camps or the Grand Mullah .

And there is a BIG difference between the home grown Anti Govt, loosely organized , and practically laughable " militias " in the US , and Training Camps for Islamic Terrorists that have openly declared war on the United States and that ALL US Citizens are legitimate targets . I dont know how to explain it if someone cant see the vast distinction between the two . To say its " nothing worse , just a different color skin " is to attempt to marginalize and frame the MUCH deeper and troubling ramifications as a " racist " issue , thats not only disengenious , its just plain wrong . And frankly Im sick and Fing tired of "skin color " being USED as an excuse or to demonize as closet racists , anyone that speaks out about issues like this .

[TaePo]

For any PA. borne activity of paramilitary training:

18 Pa.C.S.A. § 5515

Purdon's Pennsylvania Statutes and Consolidated Statutes Currentness
Title 18 Pa.C.S.A. Crimes and Offenses (Refs & Annos)

Part II. Definition of Specific Offenses

Article F. Offenses Against Public Order and Decency

Chapter 55. Riot, Disorderly Conduct and Related Offenses (Refs & Annos)

§ 5515. Prohibiting of paramilitary training



(a) Definitions.--As used in this section the following words and phrases shall have the meanings given to them in this subsection:


"Civil disorder." Any public disturbance involving acts of violence by assemblages of three or more persons, which causes an immediate danger of or results in damage or injury to the property or person of any other individual.


"Explosive or incendiary device." Includes:

(1) dynamite and all other forms of high explosives;

(2) any explosive bomb, grenade, missile or similar device; and

(3) any incendiary bomb or grenade, fire bomb or similar device, including any device which:

(i) consists of or includes a breakable container including a flammable liquid or compound and a wick composed of any material which, when ignited, is capable of igniting such flammable liquid or compound; and

(ii) can be carried or thrown by one individual acting alone.


"Firearm." Any weapon which is designed to or may readily be converted to expel any projectile by the action of an explosive; or the frame or receiver of any such weapon.


"Law enforcement officer." Any officer or employee of the United States, any state, any political subdivision of a state or the District of Columbia and such term shall specifically include, but shall not be limited to, members of the National Guard, as defined in 10 U.S.C. § 101(9), members of the organized militia of any state or territory of the United States, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico or the District of Columbia, not included within the definition of National Guard as defined by 10 U.S.C. § 101(9) and members of the armed forces of the United States.


(b) Prohibited training.--

(1) Whoever teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application or making of any firearm, explosive or incendiary device or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that same will be unlawfully employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder commits a misdemeanor of the first degree.

(2) Whoever assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive or incendiary device or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, said person intending to employ unlawfully the same for use in or in furtherance of a civil disorder commits a misdemeanor of the first degree.


(c) Exemptions.--Nothing contained in this section shall make unlawful any act of any law enforcement which is performed in the lawful performance of his official duties.


(d) Excluded activities.--Nothing contained in this section shall make unlawful any activity of the Game Commission, Fish and Boat Commission, or any law enforcement agency, or any hunting club, rifle club, rifle range, pistol range, shooting range or other program or individual instruction intended to teach the safe handling or use of firearms, archery equipment or other weapons or techniques employed in connection with lawful sports or other lawful activities.

CREDIT(S)

1982, June 11, P.L. 476, No. 138, § 2, effective in 180 days. Amended 1992, March 19, P.L. 18, No. 7, § 2, imd. effective.

HISTORICAL AND STATUTORY NOTES

2000 Main Volume

The 1992 amendment, in subsec. (d), substituted "Fish and Boat Commission" for "Fish Commission".

18 Pa.C.S.A. § 5515, PA ST 18 Pa.C.S.A. § 5515


Current through Reg. Sess. Act 2008-132 and 2007-2008 Sp. Sess. No. 1 Act 2

Copr. © 2009 Thomson Reuters
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© 2009 Thomson Reuters/West. No Claim to Orig. U.S. Govt. Works.

I suppose the difficulty would be in finding evidence that it was planned or known to be used unlawfully, however.

IANAL.

[Pa. Patriot]

I'm not even going to go into how pissed this makes me. The group in Hancock NY is miles from my hometown. As rural as NE USA gets. I actually got in a big argument with my mother about these terrorists.

Hard decisions await us. Hope your ready folks.