THE BRADY'S AND OBAMA AGREE ON THE DANGERS OF CONCEALED CARRY

[rady8um]

I wonder if the ass-wipe that wrote that article ever considered the possibility that the people that were actually convicted, could have commited those crimes without a carry permit.


Just a thought.

[87th PVI]

If the crime rate of LTCF holders is 6 (charged) out of 530,000+ in PA and a similar ratio for other states when looking at only the permit or LTCF holders, then what about the crime rate of non permit/LTCF holders relative to the entire population of non permit/LTCF holders?
Where are the crime rate stats for NY MD & NJ where only the criminals carry guns?
I think either of those stats would deflate their sensationalism... better just ignore that because the whole truth would not help their agenda.

So did anyone else go to the original site & see the polls? It seems they aren't getting the response they had seemingly wanted.

Current results:

Concealed weapons on campus?
Yes 56%
No 44%

END Handgun bans?
Yes 72%
No 28%

Do guns make you safer?
Yes 65%
No 35%

ID's required for gun sales?
Yes 65%
No 35%

Should you own a gun?
Yes 75%
no 25%

Can the Republicans reclaim the White House?
Yes 62%
No 38%

[headcase]

I wonder if the ass-wipe that wrote that article ever considered the possibility that the people that were actually convicted, could have commited those crimes without a carry permit.


Just a thought.

Of course it has crossed his mind, but he doesn't care. All he cares about is eradicating firearm ownership for anyone not LE or military. He has shown time and time again, that he will say anything, write anything, and do anything to achieve that goal. The truth only matters if it can be twisted to fit his needs, otherwise, his made up statistics will do whenever there is a gap to fill(which is about always)......

Read the story of what happened the day his brother was killed. This guy is insane.

[mjf]

This is why I've been saying the LEOSA is bad.

As long as there's federal law divorcing law enforcement from civilians carrying firearms, we're never going to get the support of the law enforcement community. There are a healthy number of pro gun LEOs, insofar as they can carry guns--and enjoy doing so. Now, when active and retired LEOs have federal government superpowers to carry guns in every state, their interest in taking a stance in civilian carry diminishes.

Remember, prior to the LEOSA going into effect, in most states (with the exception of a few), the only way an out-of-state LEO could carry in another state was to have an issued permit. That means, for example, prior to 2004, nobody, aside from Illinois/Federal LEO could carry within the people's republic of Illinois, California, Wisconsin, DC...

At the end of the day the LEOSA will ensure that the FOP and LEAA won't back up pro-carry.

[son of the revolution]

This is why I've been saying the LEOSA is bad.

As long as there's federal law divorcing law enforcement from civilians carrying firearms, we're never going to get the support of the law enforcement community. There are a healthy number of pro gun LEOs, insofar as they can carry guns--and enjoy doing so. Now, when active and retired LEOs have federal government superpowers to carry guns in every state, their interest in taking a stance in civilian carry diminishes.

Remember, prior to the LEOSA going into effect, in most states (with the exception of a few), the only way an out-of-state LEO could carry in another state was to have an issued permit. That means, for example, prior to 2004, nobody, aside from Illinois/Federal LEO could carry within the people's republic of Illinois, California, Wisconsin, DC...

At the end of the day the LEOSA will ensure that the FOP and LEAA won't back up pro-carry.

However LEOSA can possibly be used as a basis for a 14th Ammendment Violation . Perfect example is NJ , where permits are impossible to get . The Statutory language even concedes retired LEO's are not required to substantiate their " need " , unlike civilians . Therfore the State has created and acknowledged a special " more equal " class of CIVILIANS that are afforded extra judicial exercise of their rights by virtue of nothing else then their former career . They could just as easily say Ex LEO are exempt from most traffic citations , becuase they were taught better driving/vehicle control skills . Or former teachers are exempt from any requirement to send their kids to school for the same reason .

[mjf]

However LEOSA can possibly be used as a basis for a 14th Ammendment Violation . Perfect example is NJ , where permits are impossible to get . The Statutory language even concedes retired LEO's are not required to substantiate their " need " , unlike civilians . Therfore the State has created and acknowledged a special " more equal " class of CIVILIANS that are afforded extra judicial exercise of their rights by virtue of nothing else then their former career . They could just as easily say Ex LEO are exempt from most traffic citations , becuase they were taught better driving/vehicle control skills . Or former teachers are exempt from any requirement to send their kids to school for the same reason .

The LEOSA also clearly violates the tenth amendment. If you say, "we'll anyone who meets these criteria can carry in your state", who's to say, "everyone who doesn't meet this criteria cannot carry in your state?"

[40 cal]

See I hate this kind of shit.
I am not a republican, Im a dem. An they keep making me favor the Rep. more an more when saying dumb shit like this.( But no, I didnt vote for Obama)

#1,Its not the guns. Its the people dont they understand? Do they not see or spend one minute with anyone that owns legal guns?

#2, Crime rate around here jumped up 30% since obama. So, who do they think they are kidding. He is making my area worse, as far as I see it. 3 homicides this year already. Not even 3 months into it yet.

All the gun owners should vote to impeach this guy. There is enough of us we could do it. People running around killing people daily with illegal guns, An raping little kids an there moms. People, robbing people. An they want to take the guns away from the responsible people who just dont want to be the victum to it?

I think they need to stop throwing our money where we dont need it. Put it somewhere US the consumer can spend it, an jump start our economy. Now, before the world is in a heep of shit along with our economy. Someone needs to open there eyes an see where the problem is coming from. An Not trying to take our rights from us, who are proud to live in this country... Why be proud anymore? Giving us no reason to be...

[ReconLdr]

Seems to me the states that "issued" the LTCF to the convicted felons and mentally defected people need a better quality control system to prevent this from happening. This is not the legal gun owner/carriers fault.

What intrigues me the most is there is not statistics on how many people are stabbed with kitchen knives each year? or killed with baseball bats? or other types of weapons... When they take our guns will they try to get our Demarinis and Louisville Sluggers next? Then you will have to get a permit to have a steak dinner because knives kill people too!!!

[40 cal]

What intrigues me the most is there is not statistics on how many people are stabbed with kitchen knives each year? or killed with baseball bats? or other types of weapons... When they take our guns will they try to get our Demarinis and Louisville Sluggers next? Then you will have to get a permit to have a steak dinner because knives kill people too!!

I know right... Thats what pisses me off about it. I mean I could live without my guns. But, I wouldnt like to. I love shooting them, an I like the right to use it to protect My Family or myself if I would ever need to. For them to try to take that from me or anyone else is just a bunch of bullshit. Gets me heated

[XD40coyote]

What also gets me upset is when they say that handguns and EBR's aren't used by anyone for hunting. Firstly let me say that I know the 2A ain't about hunting, but since the antis are always bringing this up, I have to make my statement. In MD and in many other states we can hunt with EBR's. Several states have no problem with mag capacity either when it comes at least to hunting coyotes and other nuisance animals. All states as far as I know allow handguns for hunting, though PA restricts semi autos. And indeed there are handgun hunters, much like there are bowhunters who make their own longbows and arrows. It is just another niche hunting type that has appeal generally for the challenge aspect of it. Plus in some states some hunters who use a rifle or shotgun can use a backup handgun to put a wounded animal down. Plus near every adult trapper has a .22 handgun for close up dispatch.

Now back on topic. People like Helmke are plain assholes who would rather see women raped, or have a violent ex kill their family, instead of having the intended victim shooting the aggressor. Those #'s are so low it is rediculous. I bet for each of those incidents mentioned that 50-100 CC armed citizens stopped a crime from being committed against themselves, or another they came across in need, some by merely pulling a shirt up or pulling a jacket back to expose the gun to draw it. All without harming any bystanders, nuns, or babies. And I won't even get into how many crimes are probably prevented by the presence of an OCer walking around in public.