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May 31st, 2008, 06:57 PM #1
Results of Dickson City RTK request - Polling of local business firearms policies
This thread will list all info received from the Dickson City PD in response to my Right To Know request. The first packet I received today contained a cover letter from the Chief, a hand-written list of 95 businesses (most with a notation of their policy), and 18 letters or faxes from business stating their policies.
I have a few ideas for what we can actually do with this information, but the first task is making it available to everyone. I will hand-type the list here so it is searchable, and will scan and host (or find hosting for) the actual documents I've received. I'm going to keep the thread locked until I'm finished or at least very close, then we can discuss if we want to.
The list below is exactly what is written on a notepad (photocopied of course). I have noted anything that I am unsure of (spelllings, etc.) because of illegible handwriting.
During compilation I noticed that entries notes with "OK" and/or a star are those which have corresponding letters or faxes stating policy, with the exception of Spherion Staffing. It's also worth noting that several of the provided documents are copies of employee handbooks/policies, NOT an official corporate position on customers who are carrying in compliance with state law.
- Tobacco Road, no weapons, will fax
- Denny's, no weapons, will fax ("OK" is noted to the left of the number 2)(To date, this is the ONLY Dickson City business where a sign has been confirmed)
- Pennstar Bank, will check & call me Tina ("OK" is noted to the left of the number 3)
- Physicians Health Alliance no weapon policy, will fax
- Wendy's, will fax no weapons on premises
- Lowe's, would ask to leave will fax
- Lazboy, chris, will check & fax us 1 way or the other
- Sleepy's will fax us, no weapons letter
- Pediatrics no weapons will fax
- Ethan Allen, no weapons will fax (There is a horizontal scribble mark to the left of the number 10)
- Dick's will mail it in, no weapons, allows open carry (There is a horizontal scribble mark to the left of the number 10)(Newspaper has printed a correction, stating that Dick's does not prohibit customers from carrying firearms.)
- Basilio's Pizza will fax no weapons
- Gertrude Hawk doesn't know will check & fax either way
- Circuit City, no weapons will fax
- Factory Card Outlet ? will check ("OK" and a star is noted to the left of the number 15)
- Days Inn, no weapons, will fax ("OK" and a star is noted to the left of the number 16)
- Idle Hour Lanes, no weapons, will fax
- Sleepy Hollow, no weapons, will fax
- Aqua Leisure Pools & Spa. no weapons will fax
- St Tropez no weapons will fax
- Design Home Gallery no weapons will fax
- Woods & Co., no weapons, will fax ("OK" is noted to the left of the number 22)
- AC Moore will check & fax ?
- TJ Maxx will check & fax ?
- Dollar Tree ? will check
- Petsmart ? will check will fax 1 way or other ("OK" and a star is noted to the left of the number 26)(Provided documentation is from the employee handbook)
- Border's will check & fax
- Firestone will check & fax
- Home Depot no weapons, will fax (corporate policy contradicting this found here, background info here)
- Pier I Imports probably no weapons, will fax
- Turkey Hill, no weapons, will fax
- First Natl Comm Bank, 954 Main St, no weapons, will fax
- Fast Signs, no weapons, will fax ("OK" is noted to the left of the number 33)
- Broadway Dreams, no weapons, will fax
- TCBY, ? will fax
- Spherion Staffing, no weapons, will fax ("OK" is noted to the left of the number 36)
- Cohen Orthodontics, no weapons will fax
- Med + Uniforms & Scrubs ? will fax
- Gallery of Sound ? will fax
- Nye Jewelers ? no weap will fax
- Jenny Craig, no weapons, will fax
- Sprint ? will fax
- HFC no weapons will fax
- Pet Palace no weapons will fax ("OK" is noted to the left of the number 44)
- Ruby Tuesday, most likely, no weapons, will check & fax
- Perkins Rest, manager will check & call me
- Viewmont Diner, no weapons, will fax ("OK" is noted to the left of the number 47)
- Burger King, will check ...(illegible)
- Long John Silvers no weapons, will fax ("OK" is noted to the left of the number 49)
- McDonald's, ravine st., no weapons, will fax (Notice that the first letter mentions only employees, but the second one is modified to include "or customers". Also, additional supporting documents are employee policy and make no mention of customers)
- Toys R Us, no weapons, will fax
- Merle Norman Cosmetics, will check & fax ("OK" is noted to the left of the number 52)
- Shiatsu Massage ? check with manager
- Viewmont Medical, no weapons, will fax
- JoAnn Fabrics, no weapons, will fax (contradicted by someone who asked in person, and posted the experience here)
- Northeast Surgery will check, will fax
- Allstate Ins Co., no weapons, will fax
- McDonald's, Bell mt, no weapons, will fax (Notice that the first letter mentions only employees, but the second one is modified to include "or customers". Also, additional supporting documents are employee policy and make no mention of customers)
- Petco, no weapon will fax
- Don Pablo's most likely no, will fax
- First Liberty Bank, no weapons, will fax ("OK" is noted to the left of the number 61)
- Chuck E Cheese, no weapons, will fax
- Harbor Freight, no weapons, will fax
- China Palace, no weapons, will fax
- Cartridge World will check, allows open carry (There is a horizontal scribble mark to the left of the number 65)
- Party City no weapons, will fax
- Leslie Pools no weapons, will fax
- Wasserott's no weapons, will fax
- Panera Bread, no weapons, will fax ("OK" is noted to the left of the number 69)
- Red Robin no weapons, will fax
- Walmart will check with corp & fax
- Famous Footwear, christen (sp?) will check, will fax
- Uno Pizza, Chicago Grill, no weapons, will fax, check with corporate
- Kohl's ? will fax
- Texas Roadhouse no weapons
- Olive Garden, allows open carry allows open carry (There is a horizontal scribble mark to the left of the number 65)
- Red Lobster, will check & fax
- Marshall's - no 'official' word yet, but there is an eyewitness account of a DCPD officer making an inquiry.
- Catherines Plus Sizes
- Payless Shoe Source
- Dots Fashions
- Dress Barn
- Sally Beauty Salon
- Olympia
- T-mobile, will check & fax
- Target
- Subway, will check & fax
- Starbucks
- Sleepy's
- Michaels
- A&G Outfitters
- K & K Nails
- Gamestop, will check & fax
- Super Suppers, no weapons will fax ("OK" is noted to the left of the number 94)
- Men's Wearhouse, probably not, will check & fax ("OK" is noted to the left of the number 95)(Provided documentation is from the employee handbook. Also, based on a specific customer experience, detailed in post #28 of this thread, this is not an established corporate policy that applies to customers.)
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Last edited by gnbrotz; June 17th, 2008 at 05:48 PM.
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May 31st, 2008, 06:57 PM #2
Re: Results of Dickson City RTK request - Polling of local business firearms policies
This post will be used to document carry experiences at businesses on the list since the Dickson City incident occurred.
OC without incident:
4. Physicians Health Alliance
6. Lowe's
14. Circuit City
23. AC Moore
25. Dollar Tree
26. Petsmart
27. Border's
29. Home Depot
47. Viewmont Diner
49. Long John Silver's
50. McDonald's (Ravine St.)
51. Toys R Us
63. Harbor Freight
66. Party City
71. Walmart
86. Target
87. Subway
Carrier personally informed of 'No Firearms' policy:
60. Don Pablo'sLast edited by gnbrotz; June 18th, 2008 at 06:56 AM.
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May 31st, 2008, 07:11 PM #3
Re: Results of Dickson City RTK request - Polling of local business firearms policies
Reserved for space.
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June 3rd, 2008, 05:58 PM #4
Re: Results of Dickson City RTK request - Polling of local business firearms policies
All information that I have received is now in the OP. Please let me know if any links don't work, etc.
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June 3rd, 2008, 07:03 PM #5
Re: Results of Dickson City RTK request - Polling of local business firearms policies
The crazy part is that some of these items linked are EMPLOYEE handbook excerpts indicating that employees are not permitted to have handguns on company property and mention nothing to do with customers.
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Re: Results of Dickson City RTK request - Polling of local business firearms policies
What they are doing has got to be against the law in some way. They are giving all of law enforcement a bad name.
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June 3rd, 2008, 07:11 PM #7
Re: Results of Dickson City RTK request - Polling of local business firearms policies
Hilarious. Employee handbook excerpts? seriously... wtf is wrong with this Police department? Or should I say town.
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June 3rd, 2008, 07:13 PM #8
Re: Results of Dickson City RTK request - Polling of local business firearms policies
I think ya'll are underestimating the media savvy of the chief of thugs. Remember, he has already been able to use this information, however he twisted it, in the media to show that he has overwhelming support from the businesses, and that people carrying guns are rabble rousing troublemakers that are bad for business.
Propaganda is important."Never give up, never surrender!" Commander Peter Quincy Taggart
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June 3rd, 2008, 07:36 PM #9
Re: Results of Dickson City RTK request - Polling of local business firearms policies
Boy I see this coming back and biting them in the ass!
DC
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June 3rd, 2008, 07:55 PM #10
Re: Results of Dickson City RTK request - Polling of local business firearms policies
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