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January 12th, 2009, 07:59 PM #1
Letter to Borough Council
Last week I attended a borough council meeting and one of the locals objected to my open carrying (see http://forum.pafoa.org/open-carry-14...ty-page-5.html). He was informed by a council member that such was legal, but would not be so if they had a "No Guns" sign posted. The following is my reaction:
Dear [Borough] President H****,
At Tuesday night’s council meeting the question was asked by B**** if it was legal to carry a loaded firearm at a council meeting. I was pleased to hear Councilwoman L****’s response that it was indeed legal. I was not, however, pleased to hear her further respond that a “No Guns” sign would make it illegal. When I pointed out that such a sign would be illegal, she stated that she knew the law.
Does her statement infer that such a sign might possibly be posted at some time in the future? I sincerely hope not. My desire here is to stave off any well-intentioned attempt by any council member to infringe on or impede the rights of the citizens by pointing out state law and case law on the subject.
- State Law: Section 6120 of Pennsylvania’s Uniform Firearms Act states that no municipality may in any manner regulate the lawful possession of firearms when carried for purposes not prohibited by law. Should someone on borough council decide to put up a “No Guns” sign, such an action would indeed constitute “regulating” the lawful possession (which includes carrying) of firearms. State law clearly prohibits a borough council from doing such.
- Case Law: In Allegheny County Sportsmen’s League v. City of Pittsburgh (Allegheny County Court of Common Pleas), Minich v. Jefferson County (Pennsylvania Court of Appeals) and Ortiz v. Commonwealth (Pennsylvania Supreme Court), the courts all recognized that any attempt of regulating the owning or carrying of firearms was a matter for the State Legislature – any attempt at local regulation was preempted by State Law.
Should someone on council decide to do something foolish, such as the putting up of a “No Guns” sign, please advise them that a violation of the Pennsylvania’s Preemption statute is a first degree misdemeanor under Title 18, Pa. C.S. §6119 and is recognized as having the same level of legal severity as “involuntary manslaughter” (Title 18, Pa. C.S. §2504). Additionally, when the offense occurs, there is also the risk of criminal conspiracy charges against each individual directly involved because of the fact that this is a long-settled matter of case law. And all of this is before any civil action occurs.
Additionally, any borough official or police officer attempting to enforce such an illegal sign would be in violation of Pennsylvania's Official Oppression statute (Title 18, Pa. C.S. §5301). The Official Oppression statute establishes that anyone who “denies or impedes another in the exercise or enjoyment of any right, privilege, power or immunity” can be found guilty of this offense. A conviction under this section is a second degree misdemeanor, which is sufficient to classify that person as “prohibited,” and bar them from owning, possessing or carrying firearms for life.
The Borough of Dickson City and the City of Allentown are currently involved in Federal lawsuits revolving around various civil rights issues (all related to the lawful carry of firearms for self defense). The City of Pittsburgh and the Borough of West Mifflin are dangerously close to litigation as well. The Borough of Cherry Tree does not need to be added to this list.
Government bodies, both small and large, throughout the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania are beginning to recognize that the lawful possession and carrying of firearms, including into council meetings, is not something to get upset over. Pennsylvania’s firearms owners, through organizations such as Pennsylvania Open Carry and the Pennsylvania Firearms Owner’s Association, are educated, articulate, and are willing to stand up against such government bodies when it's necessary to remind them that we know our rights.
It is my hope that his letter will be accepted as of an educational nature, and not confrontational. My attendance at borough council meetings, even while wearing a firearm for personal protection, is not intended to be confrontational. However, should a council member decide that my attendance, armed, be impeded in any manner, you have now been appraised of State Law and this letter serves as express actual notice of such.
Respectfully yours,Last edited by Statkowski; January 12th, 2009 at 08:04 PM.
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January 12th, 2009, 08:24 PM #2
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Be sure to keep us posted! Also, you may want to bring a camera along to the next meeting, just in case the actually are foolish enough to post a sign. Document it before they yank it down after being served.
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January 12th, 2009, 08:35 PM #3
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+1 Rep sent
Well done, Keep us posted
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January 12th, 2009, 08:40 PM #4Active Member
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Re: Letter to Borough Council
Statkowski be our man!!!!!
Looking forward to reading more on this post.
Thanks
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January 12th, 2009, 08:44 PM #5
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WAY TO GO.... keep us up to date one this one... Reps sent
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January 12th, 2009, 09:24 PM #6
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Letter went out in today's mail (I stapled the USPS Certificate of Mailing to my copy).
My sincere hope is that they do not post a "No Guns" sign. Their new borough solicitor is a pro-gun guy, so that may help should they desire to solicit his input.
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January 12th, 2009, 10:57 PM #7
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Wow Statkowski!! That was an impressive letter!!
If you ever feel the need to move from Cherry Tree, we could use someone like you on our board here in Brookville.RIP: SFN, 1861, twoeggsup, Lambo, jamesjo, JayBell, 32 Magnum, Pro2A, mrwildroot, dregan, Frenchy, Fragger, ungawa, Mtn Jack, Grapeshot, R.W.J., PennsyPlinker, Statkowski, Deanimator, roland, aubie515, SteveWag
Don't end up in my signature!
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January 13th, 2009, 03:43 PM #8
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Well written... keep us posted.
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January 15th, 2009, 02:51 AM #9
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You rock, sir.
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty
than to those attending too small a degree of it."~Thomas Jefferson, 1791
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January 16th, 2009, 11:21 AM #10
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Well done, I think they got the message.
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