Licence, permit, CCW, CDW?

**Wiley-X** · December 24th, 2009, 09:27 PM

I wanted to see what was so special about Monroe County's application so I went poking around with Google and found this. Really makes me wonder about all the fuss over what our permits are called.

**headcase** · December 24th, 2009, 09:31 PM

Kind of sad that our own website calls it a concealed carry permit...

**zackattack784** · December 24th, 2009, 11:46 PM

I never understood people's conniption with the whole license/permit thing. The fact people are so anal about it bothers me more than someone calling their LTCF a CWP.

**unloved** · December 24th, 2009, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by zackattack784

I never understood people's conniption with the whole license/permit thing.

PA issues Licenses to Carry Firearms, and Sportsman's Firearm Permits. They're not the same thing.

**zackattack784** · December 25th, 2009, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by unloved

PA issues Licenses to Carry Firearms, and Sportsman's Firearm Permits. They're not the same thing.

I am completely aware but if someone comes on here and says they just got their concealed weapons permit you would still know what they're talking about, right?

**thelemite** · December 25th, 2009, 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by zackattack784

I am completely aware but if someone comes on here and says they just got their concealed weapons permit you would still know what they're talking about, right?

Yes, they are talking about a LTCF incorrectly.

Part of it, to me, is the word concealed. It says to some people incorrectly that you Must conceal.

Another part is the word permit. I don't feel like I need permission to keep and bear. I do follow the laws of the state however even if I think the only licensing requirement that I should have is being an American.

**zackattack784** · December 25th, 2009, 12:30 AM

The whole license v. permit argument never really went over well with me. The words look eerily similar in definition if you ask me and I don't see how using the word license seems less oppressive than using the term permit.

I don't have a problem with someone nicely correcting somebody that refers to it as a permit, but it imo, it seems like people go out of their way to correct someone for not calling it a LTCF. Agree or disagree, just my opinion.

license
–noun
1. formal permission from a governmental or other constituted authority to do something, as to carry on some business or profession.
2. a certificate, tag, plate, etc., giving proof of such permission; official permit: a driver's license.
3. permission to do or not to do something.
4. intentional deviation from rule, convention, or fact, as for the sake of literary or artistic effect: poetic license.
5. exceptional freedom allowed in a special situation.
6. excessive or undue freedom or liberty.
7. licentiousness.
8. the legal right to use a patent owned by another.

permit
–noun
8. an authoritative or official certificate of permission; license: a fishing permit.
9. a written order granting special permission to do something.
10. permission.

ETA:

Originally Posted by thelemite

Part of it, to me, is the word concealed. It says to some people incorrectly that you Must conceal.

I agree, I'll give you that one.

**RoyJackson** · December 25th, 2009, 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by zackattack784

I never understood people's conniption with the whole license/permit thing. The fact people are so anal about it bothers me more than someone calling their LTCF a CWP.

Yep, anal is the word...

**c3prret** · December 25th, 2009, 07:08 AM

I think it's a learning/teaching thing. When I was in the saevice, wether I was checking in or a new guy was, I always made sure they knew what the proper nomenclature was. After awhile I would let them slide some. New members or transplants go by what they know. Our job, of which is done very well here, is to teach and educate.

**HiredGoon** · December 25th, 2009, 08:56 AM

I believe that danp, forum admin, said he calls it a carry permit in that section for search engine reasons...as that is what most people search for when looking for info about getting a License To Carry Firearms.

That said, I am in the "anal" group I guess. I mean it reads right on the document "License to Carry Firearms". It is also referred to as such in the Pennsylvania Uniform Firearms Act (PA UFA). Although many sheriffs, who issue them, call them permits (SIGH).

If some don't want to use the full, proper name, call it a LTCF or at the very least a carry license. It is not a permit

Yes, I know the name in the image link calls it a permit