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December 4th, 2009, 10:26 PM #1Senior Member
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ftf transfer
What does somebody need to do to sell a rifle to someone ftf?... I know a ffl transfer isn't needed but what is the lawful way to do it?
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December 4th, 2009, 10:34 PM #2
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One party brings the agreed upon amount of money. The other party brings the firearm. They exchange the money for the firearm and go on their way.
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December 4th, 2009, 10:35 PM #3
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If you want to use a bill of sale, try one of these:
http://forum.pafoa.org/firearms-6/32...-free-use.html
ftp://texasguntrader.com/billofsale.pdf (click on "Bill of Sale")
I'll let someone else handle the "lawful" part...I called to check my ZIP CODE!....DY-NO-MITE!!!
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December 4th, 2009, 11:53 PM #4Grand Member
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Re: ftf transfer
Here in PA - and anywhere for that matter - it is good sense to verify the buyer is at least 18yrs old.
As for a criminal background check; Unless your a pyschic, it'd be hard for you to know if the 18yr+ in front of you has a record that would otherwise disallow their purchase and/or posesson of same rifle... You are taking them at their word.
Which is why the anti's are fighting to ban private/casual gun sales at funshows between civvies; people can no longer be trusted to do the right thing.
And why more than a few gunowners in the classifieds here on this board seem to only want to sell thru an FFL - peace of mind from covering their own asses.
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December 5th, 2009, 12:02 AM #5
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I will never purchase a rifle from someone that wants to use an FFL unnecessarily.
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December 5th, 2009, 12:12 AM #6
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December 5th, 2009, 12:43 AM #7
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A FTF sale that involves another PA resident whom you have no reason to believe is prohibited from possessing a firearm is all that is required by law IMO, and is the standard I have always used. The "law" would have to prove that you knowingly sold the gun to someone that is prohibited.
The bill of sale is fine if it makes you feel better about the whole deal.
I recently sold an Arisaka to a guy in the parking lot of a closed down supermarket at 8:30 pm. I needed to sell, he wanted to buy, and our work schedules only permitted us to meet when and where we did. If I had insisted on a FFL transfer, I would still have the rifle.
I have passed up more than one firearm on the trader because of peoples paranoia and need to induce weird thought processes into what should be a simple process.
My uncle always put it this way:
"Every gun I ever sold was to a dealer at a show, he paid cash, and I didn't get his name since no law requires that I do, what he did with it afterward is none of my concern, legally or morally."
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December 5th, 2009, 12:59 AM #8
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You are not taking them at anything. The only requirement in law is that you not know or have reason to suspect they are prohibited.
do the right thing? You mean like not BUY guns if one is prohibited? Dude, that's what criminals do and always have. Nothing new.
They are covering nothing. What someone does with the gun later is not your concern unless they tell you or there is reason to believe they are prohibited at time of sale.
There is nothing the authorities can charge you with if you had no knowledge the person was prohibited or was intending to use te firearms illegally.
Very slim chance of getting jammed up legally for selling FTF._________________________________________
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December 5th, 2009, 04:09 AM #9Grand Member
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December 5th, 2009, 04:21 AM #10Grand Member
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