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    Default Re: " Concealed handgun permit holders dont protect police officers. They kill them.

    Quote Originally Posted by son of the revolution View Post
    Im sure Phil ( GL0001 ) will better be able then I to answer this , but why wouldnt ANY permit holder have standing to sue for slander/libel ? Maybe we can convince Rich to go after VPC with a portion of the settlement from Dickinson City ?!?! Oh the delicious irony, using the funds of the Anti gun City PD that falsely arrested and persecuted him , to go after the most vile anti gun group in the Country.
    The case for group libel that I recall (vaguely) from law school, was a newspaper item that stated that all of the waiters at a particular restaurant were gay. It was a small enough group, and "all" was used, I believe they could sue. These days, it would be hard to find a court that would recognize "gay" as defamatory.

    But saying that "all Democrats are criminals" isn't actionable; the group is too large, plus it's pretty clearly opinion. Same for "all gun owners". It also has to be believed, and cause harm.
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    Default Re: " Concealed handgun permit holders dont protect police officers. They kill them.

    Quote Originally Posted by GunLawyer001 View Post
    The case for group libel that I recall (vaguely) from law school, was a newspaper item that stated that all of the waiters at a particular restaurant were gay. It was a small enough group, and "all" was used, I believe they could sue. These days, it would be hard to find a court that would recognize "gay" as defamatory.

    But saying that "all Democrats are criminals" isn't actionable; the group is too large, plus it's pretty clearly opinion. Same for "all gun owners". It also has to be believed, and cause harm.
    Duly noted , and not to be argumentative ( Im trying to learn ) it seems to me one could certainly make the credible argument that a segment of the Anti Gun population certainly DOES believe the hype and that one, but by no means the only " harm caused " , would be arbitrary and capricious infringement on 2A rights, based on slanderous/libelous un supported hyperbole. No ?
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    Default Re: " Concealed handgun permit holders dont protect police officers. They kill them.

    Quote Originally Posted by GunLawyer001 View Post
    The case for group libel that I recall (vaguely) from law school, was a newspaper item that stated that all of the waiters at a particular restaurant were gay. It was a small enough group, and "all" was used, I believe they could sue. These days, it would be hard to find a court that would recognize "gay" as defamatory.

    But saying that "all Democrats are criminals" isn't actionable; the group is too large, plus it's pretty clearly opinion. Same for "all gun owners". It also has to be believed, and cause harm.
    The percentages of Democrats that are criminals v. the LTCF holders that are cop killers is like comparing night and apples.

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    Default Re: " Concealed handgun permit holders dont protect police officers. They kill them.

    I don't understand how they count criminals who would have had their licenses revoked had the issuing state know their actual criminal status, people carrying with permits but illegally...
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    Default Re: " Concealed handgun permit holders dont protect police officers. They kill them.

    Quote Originally Posted by emsjeep View Post
    I don't understand how they count criminals who would have had their licenses revoked had the issuing state know their actual criminal status, people carrying with permits but illegally...
    All you have to understand about Josh Sugarmann is that he is a notorious pathological liar for admitting the VPC Strategy was to intentionally mislead people with this quote

    "The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons,anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun,can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons."

    And the fact that he's an epic hypocrite considering that Mr Sugarmann currently holds a valid Federal Firearms Dealers License.

    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=338977
    Last edited by son of the revolution; January 17th, 2010 at 01:52 AM.
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    Default Re: " Concealed handgun permit holders dont protect police officers. They kill them.

    Quote Originally Posted by son of the revolution View Post
    Im sure Phil ( GL0001 ) will better be able then I to answer this , but why wouldnt ANY permit holder have standing to sue for slander/libel ? Maybe we can convince Rich to go after VPC with a portion of the settlement from Dickinson City ?!?! Oh the delicious irony, using the funds of the Anti gun City PD that falsely arrested and persecuted him , to go after the most vile anti gun group in the Country.
    You can wipe the drool off your chin now SotR

    Quote Originally Posted by GunLawyer001 View Post
    The case for group libel that I recall (vaguely) from law school, was a newspaper item that stated that all of the waiters at a particular restaurant were gay. It was a small enough group, and "all" was used, I believe they could sue. These days, it would be hard to find a court that would recognize "gay" as defamatory.

    But saying that "all Democrats are criminals" isn't actionable; the group is too large, plus it's pretty clearly opinion. Same for "all gun owners". It also has to be believed, and cause harm.
    But isn't saying "all Democrats are criminals" a very vague statement not only for the group but for the action? I mean that statement could be true if the criminal aspect encompasses every small crime. Jaywalking for example or more accurately (it seems) not paying taxes.

    That's a very generalized statement all around.

    Saying concealed handgun permit holders are cop killers is a very direct action connected with a group of people. And it's not an action that has no harm connected to it. Saying all concealed handgun permit holders are rednecks.

    It's a generalized term, it doesn't imply they do harm. But calling them cop killers does. It's telling people that anyone who owns a gun is going to kill the next cop they see. It's instilling fear into people of a group of law abiding, mostly harmless people.

    Quote Originally Posted by son of the revolution View Post
    Duly noted , and not to be argumentative ( Im trying to learn ) it seems to me one could certainly make the credible argument that a segment of the Anti Gun population certainly DOES believe the hype and that one, but by no means the only " harm caused " , would be arbitrary and capricious infringement on 2A rights, based on slanderous/libelous un supported hyperbole. No ?
    That was a lot more big words than my tired brain can handle at the moment. I don't have a clue what you said lol

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    Default Re: " Concealed handgun permit holders dont protect police officers. They kill them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Warpt762X39
    It's a generalized term, it doesn't imply they do harm. But calling them cop killers does. It's telling people that anyone who has a carry permit is going to kill the next cop they see. It's instilling fear into people of a group of law abiding, mostly harmless people.

    Quote Originally Posted by son of the revolution
    Duly noted , and not to be argumentative ( Im trying to learn ) it seems to me one could certainly make the credible argument that a segment of the Anti Gun population certainly DOES believe the hype and that one, but by no means the only " harm caused " , would be arbitrary and capricious infringement on 2A rights, based on slanderous/libelous un supported hyperbole. No ?

    You basically asked the same question I did, just in a less "wordy " way lol Slight fix for ya
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    Default Re: " Concealed handgun permit holders dont protect police officers. They kill them.

    Quote Originally Posted by son of the revolution View Post
    You basically asked the same question I did, just in a less "wordy " way lol Slight fix for ya
    Next time please send a translation into English for me

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    Default Re: " Concealed handgun permit holders dont protect police officers. They kill them.

    Quote Originally Posted by XD45 View Post
    ugh, I hate seeing that damn rwhiteman
    Yep. That one incident makes up for almost half of that entire statistic, and I think most people recognize that was an unusual incident.
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    Default Re: " Concealed handgun permit holders dont protect police officers. They kill them.

    It's sickening how some of these anti-gun people think.

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