FYI .22LR HK MP5 and 416 bye bye GSG5

[nfafan]

http://www.hk22rimfire.com/

May have to sell the SIG522 for one of these!

Sadly, Umarex probably isn't giving us that long-hoped for STG44/MP44 in .22LR anytme soon.

[vjb.knife]

http://www.hk22rimfire.com/

May have to sell the SIG522 for one of these!

Sadly, Umarex probably isn't giving us that long-hoped for STG44/MP44 in .22LR anytme soon.

Not me. I will keep the Sig over a Umarex produced model any day.

[nfafan]

I'll wait and see what the "HK" MP5SD looks like to be sure.

No more "Version 1.0" guns for me; I want to see this "HK" MP5SD up close and personal. If it is as nice as an ICS or Classic Army MP5SD, it will be a winner over the GSG's execution of same.

Umarex - being so tight in airsoft - made a genius move licensing the "Colt" trades for their M4 and now the "HK" for their MP5. These are the two hottest selling platforms in airsoft and .22LRs are a natural progression for a 17yr-old airsofter turning 18.

[normanvin]

I would be interested to see one in the shop. Might even buy one.

[wellcraft]

HK can go to hell so far as i'm concerned and i won't be jumping anytime soon to buy their 22 cal version of the MP5 or 416. i'll stick with my GSG5 & colt m4 22 and when I can get one i'll buy the sig522. HK sued the makers of the GSG5 to eliminate the competition plus they sued several other companies that were building clones eventhough they have no intention of ever bringing the hk94, sp89, 93 or 91 to the civilian market. on top of that HK has a reputation for crappy customer service and even police departments have trouble getting replacement parts from HK.

[DaveIam]

I wonder how the pricing is gonna be? If its fair and the gun is good, I'll get the SD.

[smitty56]

HK can go to hell so far as i'm concerned and i won't be jumping anytime soon to buy their 22 cal version of the MP5 or 416. i'll stick with my GSG5 & colt m4 22 and when I can get one i'll buy the sig522. HK sued the makers of the GSG5 to eliminate the competition plus they sued several other companies that were building clones eventhough they have no intention of ever bringing the hk94, sp89, 93 or 91 to the civilian market. on top of that HK has a reputation for crappy customer service and even police departments have trouble getting replacement parts from HK.

Wellcraft,
It's not HK making the 22's, it is Umarex in Fort Smith, Arkansas.
(The same company you like now!) They are the ones making the HK clones as well as the Colt 22 clones as well. It was my impression that HK sued earlier for copyright infringement, not so as to hold the GSG5 people down. The terms of the settlement were confidential.
http://www.shootingillustrated.com/f...&showentry=776

As for HK not bringing the HK rifles to market?
HK exported to the USA many, many HK 91, 93, and 94 rifles back in 1980's but were prohibited from doing so after then President Bush (Sr) backed out of a promise made during election campaigns in 88 and endorsed prohibiting over 40 types of imported "assault weapons" after a school shooting in Stockton, CA.
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/07/08/us...l?pagewanted=1

Everytime HK came up with a new variant, the US added that to the list of banned guns for import. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G3
Thanks President Clinton.

Those HK rifles, as far as HK is concerned, are old technology.
The HK G3, in service since the 1950's, was replaced by the HK G36, completing that change over in 1997. That is why there is a flood of G3/HK91/HK51 .308 mags on the market.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_military_rifles



I don't have any experience with the parts issues with police departments but, in my experience, HK rifles and pistols are fine weapons. If it weren't for the 1986 machine gun restrictions and the 1989 import bans, I would have had an MP5 by now. The HK MP5 was long considered the "Cadillac" of submachine guns.

As for acquiring a Sig 522? A recent PAFOA discussion comparing the Sig 522 with the Ruger 10/22 was very enlightening. As much as I still recommend the 10/22 as the first semi auto 22, I look forward to adding a Sig 522 to my present herd.

Thanks,
Smitty56

[H22ate]

http://www.hk22rimfire.com/

May have to sell the SIG522 for one of these!

Sadly, Umarex probably isn't giving us that long-hoped for STG44/MP44 in .22LR anytme soon.

Just curious..... When clicking on that link you see "walther" on the bottom of the page. Whats the deal there?

[nfafan]

Just curious..... When clicking on that link you see "walther" on the bottom of the page. Whats the deal there?

Walther is making these "HK" guns for Umarex, just as they do the "Colt" M4rgeries.

Funny how trademark licensing money lubes so many sticky issues in business these days.

[H22ate]

Walther is making these "HK" guns for Umarex, just as they do the "Colt" M4rgeries.

Funny how trademark licensing money lubes so many sticky issues in business these days.

No kiddin, I never knew that (obviously). Money makes the world go'round.... Thanks for the info!