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    Default A hypothetical on the "states rights" measures...

    So, if we get some state, say Montana, to hold up the constitutional provision that bans Federal government authority over in-state commerce, that would have the effect of repealing the 1934 NFA and subsequent laws, for in-state purposes. Montana could (and should) set its own laws to govern firearms that are produced in-state, with in-state labor & materials. And what this world really needs is a good, full-auto .22 rimfire rifle. Is there such a thing? Could there be? Think about how much fun, and how cheap it would be, to fire full-auto with those super-affordable .22LR rounds.

    It would be neat to see Montana (or any other state) tell the Feds to pound sand. And when the Supreme Court upholds the precedents like Wickard v Filburn (cursed be those nine justices) and its descendants, it would be neat to see a governor with some spine tell the USSC that their decision, being unsupported by the constitution, is invalid and therefore unenforceable in that state. And wouldn't it be cool to see state police arresting ATF agents attempting to uphold such laws & court decisions in defiance of state sovereignty... I'll volunteer to help write the speech for the governor.

    Just musing on a Saturday afternoon...

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    Default Re: A hypothetical on the "states rights" measures...

    get yerself a tippman miniature 1919a4 in .22LR


    If God didn't intend us to have guns why would he have given us a trigger finger?

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    Default Re: A hypothetical on the "states rights" measures...

    Quote Originally Posted by BSH View Post
    So, if we get some state, say Montana, to hold up the constitutional provision that bans Federal government authority over in-state commerce, that would have the effect of repealing the 1934 NFA and subsequent laws, for in-state purposes. Montana could (and should) set its own laws to govern firearms that are produced in-state, with in-state labor & materials. And what this world really needs is a good, full-auto .22 rimfire rifle. Is there such a thing? Could there be? Think about how much fun, and how cheap it would be, to fire full-auto with those super-affordable .22LR rounds.

    It would be neat to see Montana (or any other state) tell the Feds to pound sand. And when the Supreme Court upholds the precedents like Wickard v Filburn (cursed be those nine justices) and its descendants, it would be neat to see a governor with some spine tell the USSC that their decision, being unsupported by the constitution, is invalid and therefore unenforceable in that state. And wouldn't it be cool to see state police arresting ATF agents attempting to uphold such laws & court decisions in defiance of state sovereignty... I'll volunteer to help write the speech for the governor.

    Just musing on a Saturday afternoon...


    Uhhhhh , this is all already happening . The " Made in Montana " Law has already been signed by the Gov and takes effect I believe Oct 1 . Utah , Texas , Tennessee and PA also have laws coming . Wickard v Filburn probably will get overturned . And a letter just went out last week or so from the ATF to one of the States , rattling their saber over the States Rights movement.
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    It'll be interesting to see how federal supersedes State rights, isn't there a paper somewhere with about 39 delegate signatures on it that supersedes the BATF?

    Quote Originally Posted by BATF
    “U.S. Department of Justice
    Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
    Firearms and Explosives
    Assistant Director
    OPEN LETTER TO ALL TENNESSEE
    FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSEES

    The purpose of this letter is to provide guidance on your obligations as a Federal firearms licensee (”FFL”). The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (”ATF”) is dedicated to your success in meeting your requirements as a Federal firearms licensee. The following guidance is intended to assist you in accomplishing this goal.

    The passage of the Tennessee Firearms Freedom Act, H.B. 1796, 106th Leg. (Tenn. 2009) 1796 (”Act”), effective June 19, 2009, has generated questions from industry members as to how this State law may affect them while engaged in a firearms business activity. The Act purports to exempt personal firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition manufactured in the State, and which remain in the State, from most Federal firearms laws and regulations. However, because the Act conflicts with Federal firearms laws and regulations, Federal law supersedes the Act, and all provisions of the Gun Control Act and the National Firearms Act, and their corresponding regulations, continue to apply.

    As you may know, Federal law requires a license to engage in the business of manufacturing firearms or ammunition, or to deal in firearms, even if the firearms or ammunition remain within the same state. All firearms manufactured by a licensee must be properly marked. Additionally, each licensee must record the type, model, caliber or gauge, and serial number of each firearm manufactured or otherwise acquired, and the date such manufacture or other acquisition was made. The information required must be recorded in the licensee’s records not later than the seventh day following the date such manufacture or other acquisition was made. Firearms transaction records and NICS background checks must be conducted prior to disposition of firearms to unlicensed persons. These, as well as other Federal requirements and prohibitions, apply whether or not the firearms or ammunition have crossed state lines.

    If you have any questions regarding the Federal firearms laws and regulations, please contact your local ATF office. ATF works closely with the firearms industry and appreciates the important role the industry plays in combating violent crime. A listing of ATF office phone numbers can be found at http://www.atf.gov/contact/field.htm. Carson W. Carroll, Assistant Director (Enforcement Programs and Services)”

    If God didn't intend us to have guns why would he have given us a trigger finger?

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