ATF says only one piston, adapter per silencer

**MartinBrody** · July 17th, 2009, 01:13 AM

Saw this on silencertalk, also being discussed on arfcom.

http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=42389 (you need a login to view here)
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...=900717&page=1

Emailed YHM about getting a new piston for my Cobra so I could put on my Sig and this is what I got back.

Sir,
Unfortunately I have bad news. We were finially notified by ATF Monday morning that we can no longer sell individual pistons, 3-lug adapters, fixed barrel adapters and most other componets seperately. We can sell a sound suppressor with one attaching device and that is it. We are not very happy to say the least. This is going to affect our business tremendousely. Apparently we were the first, and now ATF is going to go after all other sound suppressor manufacturers as well. We are going to fight this, and the owner of this company has already contacted some attorneys about taking legal action. As you saw we were forced to take all the products off our web page or face legal action by ATF. We are waiting to hear the final word on the QD mounts, and I am not expecting good news about them either. All I can tell you now is to be patient while we appeal ATF's ruling and hopefully get it overturned. Sorry for the inconvience, however our hands are tied at the moment, and no one is more upset than us over this matter.

I got this email from
Tom Camilleri
Sales-Tech
YHM

**ithinkimamedic** · July 17th, 2009, 03:42 AM

BLOODY HELL

**SigForLife** · July 17th, 2009, 07:30 AM

Who didn't see that coming? I have a feeling that "wipes" are about to become a registered part again...then, they might rescind the letter saying that a shoe string isn't a machine gun.

**mojo** · July 17th, 2009, 07:47 AM

That sucks ... got to love this shit!

**nfafan** · July 20th, 2009, 12:10 AM

ATF has been outta control since Reagan left office. They get to "interpret" laws any effin' way they want and no one says shitt.

In the early 80's you could get a can "kit" of rough parts and it was completely legal - then one day - a "wipe" is in-and-of-itself; a can.

Same thing with a threaded 2-liter bottle adapter for a M11/9 - one day its legal, the next thing you know the simple little device is in-and-of-itself; a can.

We need someone to reign-in those cowboys, but it won't be happening anytime soon. Like arguing against seatbelts...

**-JD-** · July 20th, 2009, 10:07 AM

So, by this logic, every 1/2-28 threaded barrel is an attachment device for a thread-on can?!

Damn! and I was planning on getting a 7.62 YMH can to use on my .308 and everything down from there!

**SigForLife** · July 20th, 2009, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by -JD-

So, by this logic, every 1/2-28 threaded barrel is an attachment device for a thread-on can?!

Damn! and I was planning on getting a 7.62 YMH can to use on my .308 and everything down from there!

There is a difference that can be put forth...with these adapters, it is actually the rear part of the suppressor, not merely a mounting device on the rifle. Any part of the suppressor, currently excluding wipes, is a NFA item. Thus, if the mount is the rear back cap of the suppressor, it is a NFA item; whereas, if the suppressor can completely and normally function and the part on the rifle is merely a form of attachment (AKA not the rear cap of the suppressor), then it is not an NFA item.

**-JD-** · July 20th, 2009, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by SigForLife

There is a difference that can be put forth...with these adapters, it is actually the rear part of the suppressor, not merely a mounting device on the rifle. Any part of the suppressor, currently excluding wipes, is a NFA item. Thus, if the mount is the rear back cap of the suppressor, it is a NFA item; whereas, if the suppressor can completely and normally function and the part on the rifle is merely a form of attachment (AKA not the rear cap of the suppressor), then it is not an NFA item.

Sorry, I was being a bit "dramatic"-maybe, but thanks for the clarification. I was keying off of the statement that YMH was also under attack on the quick mounts

... We are waiting to hear the final word on the QD mounts, and I am not expecting good news about them either. ...

which is the system I intended to go with. I've gone so far as to have (2) 7.62x39 barrels cut and rethreaded (from 1/2-28) to the 7.62 standard 5/8-24.