Can I Borrow A Handgun?

[Willtallica]

I'd like to know if it's okay for me to borrow my dad's pistol while I'm visiting my parents to use at the local gun range.

Is there anything that would prove that it's alright that I can show him?

[God's Country]

If you have a LTCF lending a handgun to the LTCF holder is legal.


TITLE 18
PA CRIMES CODES

§6115. Loans on, or Lending or Giving Firearms Prohibited.
(a) Offense defined.—No person shall make any loan secured by mortgage, deposit or pledge of a firearm, nor, except as provided in subsection (b), shall any person lend or give a firearm to another or otherwise deliver a firearm contrary to the provisions of this subchapter.
(b) Exception.—
(1) Subsection (a) shall not apply if any of the following apply:
(i) The person who receives the firearm is licensed to carry a firearm under section 6109 (relating to licenses).
(ii) The person who receives the firearm is exempt from licensing.
(iii) The person who receives the firearm is engaged in a hunter safety program certified by the Pennsylvania Game Commission or a firearm training program or competition sanctioned or approved by the National Rifle Association
(iv) The person who receives the firearm meets all of the following
(A) Is under 18 years of age.
(B) Pursuant to section 6110.1 (relating to possession of firearm by minor) is under the supervision, guidance and instruction (if a responsible individual who.
(I) is ‘21 years of age or older; and
(II) is not prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm tinder section 6105 (relating to persons not to possess, use, manufacture, control, sell or transfer firearms)
(v) The person who receives the firearm is lawfully hunting or trapping and is in compliance with the provisions of Title 34 (relating to game)
(vi) A bank or other chartered lending institution is able to adequately secure firearms in its possession.
(2) Nothing in this section shall be construed to prohibit the transfer of a firearm under 20 Pa CS. Ch. 21 (relating to interstate succession) or by bequest if the individual receiving the firearm is not precluded from owning or possessing a firearm under section 6105
(3) Nothing in this section shall be construed to prohibit the loaning or giving of a firearm to another in one’s dwelling or place of business if the firearm is retained within the dwelling or place of business.
(Repealed and added by L 1995, Spec. Sess 1, Act 17(8), eff 10/11/95)

[knight0334]

Yes... Transfers, whether temporary or permanent, between spouses, children/parents, and grandchildren/grandparents without papers are legal. Borrowing would fall within that scope.

And if you have a LTCF, you could borrow from anyone.

18 Pa.C.S. § 6111: Sale or transfer of firearms

(c) Duty of other persons.--Any person who is not a licensed importer, manufacturer or dealer and who desires to sell or transfer a firearm to another unlicensed person shall do so only upon the place of business of a licensed importer, manufacturer, dealer or county sheriff's office, the latter of whom shall follow the procedure set forth in this section as if he were the seller of the firearm. The provisions of this section shall not apply to transfers between spouses or to transfers between a parent and child or to transfers between grandparent and grandchild.

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18 Pa.C.S. § 6115: Loans on, or lending or giving firearms prohibited

(a) Offense defined.--No person shall make any loan secured by mortgage, deposit or pledge of a firearm, nor, except as provided in subsection (b), shall any person lend or give a firearm to another or otherwise deliver a firearm contrary to the provisions of this subchapter.
(b) Exception.--
(i) The person who receives the firearm is licensed to carry a firearm under section 6109 (relating to licenses).

[Willtallica]

My dad probably won't believe it, but I may try to persuade him to believe that it's okay - legal.

[biggs88]

My dad probably won't believe it, but I may try to persuade him to believe that it's okay - legal.

Show him this page. It is an OLD law from back in the good old days.

My dad gave me all of his handguns. To prove it to him, have him call a gun shop and ask what needs to be done for him to give you a gun. They will tell him, NOTHING. No paperwork, no reporting, NOTHING.

I could not believe it either. My dad was going to sell me all his guns for a dollar. We called so many gun stores and they all said the same thing. We even called one store a few times. Finally the guy told us, "if you want to come down and give me the money for a transfer thats fine, but it won't do a damn thing for ya!!"
LOL.

[God's Country]

My dad probably won't believe it, but I may try to persuade him to believe that it's okay - legal.

Your dad won't believe his own eyes?


All you need to do is go here:
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/pennsylvania.pdf

click on pa firearms law.
The pa UFA loads.

It's not slight of hand or something.

[Pa. Patriot]

To prove it to him, have him call a gun shop and ask what needs to be done for him to give you a gun. They will tell him, NOTHING. No paperwork, no reporting, NOTHING.

I would recommend against this. Two issues.
1) Some gunshop employees are as dumb as a box o' rocks.
2) Some gunshops may very well tell him he needs to do paperwork, knowing otherwise, just so they can make the $ for the transfer.
Most gunshops will not have either issue, but why take the risk?

Just show him the law.

As knight pointed out, you are covered two ways. Actual transfers between parent and child (Pa. residents) require no paperwork.
Print 18Pa.C.S.6111 and skip to the last sentence in paragraph (c)

AND

Loans are permitted in the recipient has an LTCF per 18Pa.C.S.6115(b)(1)(i)

All you need to do is go here:
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/pennsylvania.pdf

Or you could just click once...... to the UFA hosted right here at PAFOA:
http://reference.pafoa.org/statutes/...-firearms-act/

Or the one on PAOC
http://paopencarry.org/uniform-firearms-act#subchaptera

[biggs88]

I would recommend against this. Two issues.
1) Some gunshop employees are as dumb as a box o' rocks.
2) Some gunshops may very well tell him he needs to do paperwork, knowing otherwise, just so they can make the $ for the transfer.
Most gunshops will not have either issue, but why take the risk?

Just show him the law.

As knight pointed out, you are covered two ways. Actual transfers between parent and child (Pa. residents) require no paperwork.
Print 18Pa.C.S.6111 and skip to the last sentence in paragraph (c)

AND

Loans are permitted in the recipient has an LTCF per 18Pa.C.S.6115(b)(1)(i)




Or you could just click once...... to the UFA hosted right here at PAFOA:
http://reference.pafoa.org/statutes/...-firearms-act/

Or the one on PAOC
http://paopencarry.org/uniform-firearms-act#subchaptera

True. . . He can call my guy Steve at Pistol People. LOL. . . . .

[mrjam2jab]

18 Pa.C.S. § 6115: Loans on, or lending or giving firearms prohibited

(a) Offense defined.--No person shall make any loan secured by mortgage, deposit or pledge of a firearm, nor, except as provided in subsection (b), shall any person lend or give a firearm to another or otherwise deliver a firearm contrary to the provisions of this subchapter.
(b) Exception.--
(i) The person who receives the firearm is licensed to carry a firearm under section 6109 (relating to licenses).

Yes... Transfers, whether temporary or permanent, between spouses, children/parents, and grandchildren/grandparents without papers are legal. Borrowing would fall within that scope.

And if you have a LTCF, you could borrow from anyone.

and now I'll ask what the "dumb" question could be...lets say i borrow a gun without having LTCF, clip it on my hip...OC...and walk around the block to my house, corner store, or where ever? I think i know what the answer is...but just want clear it up for all...

[knight0334]

and now I'll ask what the "dumb" question could be...lets say i borrow a gun without having LTCF, clip it on my hip...OC...and walk around the block to my house, corner store, or where ever? I think i know what the answer is...but just want clear it up for all...

Then potentially you could get whomever you borrowed it from in trouble. You however wouldn't have violated any law.