Our so called Commander in chief...........

[BufordTPisser]

This from another forum that I belong to. A lot of the guys over there are ex-military or current military. I believe what they have to say way more than I would believe any news outlet. In my opinion, this is a much truer version of what actually happened than any of the so called first hand accounts. You decide.



Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:

1. BHO wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander) recommendation.

2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life was in "imminent" danger

3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction

4. When the navy RIB came under fire as it approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE restrictions. As the raggies were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS had them all dialed in.

5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge CPN and SEAL teams

6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the OpArea and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead raggies

7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive" behavior. As usual with him, it's BS.

So per our last email thread, I'm downgrading Oohbaby's performance to D-. Only reason it's not an F is that the hostage survived.

Read the following accurate account.



Philips’ first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean hadn’t worked out as well. With the
Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his country’s Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his
lifeboat prison, enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors — and none was taken.

The guidance from National Command Authority — the president of the United States,
Barack Obama — had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the hostage’s life was in clear, extreme danger.


The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on by the Somali pirates — and
again, no fire was returned and no pirates killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by
Navy personnel thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a mandate
from the commander in chief’s staff not to act until Obama, a man with no background of dealing with
such issues and no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a “peaceful solution” would be acceptable.


After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the on scene commander decided he’d had enough.

Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to the hostage’s
life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue operation
had been denied the day before, the Navy officer — unnamed in all media reports to date — decided
the AK47 one captor had leveled at Philips’ back was a threat to the hostage’s life and ordered the NSWC team to take their shots.


Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and Philips was safe.


There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events over the last week that culminated in yesterday’s dramatic rescue of an American hostage.


Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration and its supporters claimed
victory against pirates in the Indian Ocean and declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put
paid to questions of the inexperienced president’s toughness and decisiveness.


Despite the Obama administration’s (and its sycophants’) attempt to spin yesterday’s success as a result
of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort.
What should have been a standoff lasting only hours — as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its
team of NSWC operators to steam to the location — became an embarrassing four day and counting
standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.

[XD40coyote]

OHHHHH, Obama should have ordered flowers for the rifle barrels! And singing "Kumbya", and hippy drum circles on row boats.

[Dredly]

The joys of spin... noone knows what is true and what is not true. This article does sounds very possible and even likely

[Burlington]

Or, just as unlikely.

[Decholder]

You know, I can't even tell you how many times "higher up" has denied my companies requests to take out known baddies for solely political reasons. I mean for God's sake, these guys had documented connections to AQI, JAM, or one of the other local terror groups! Politics is BS that gets boots on the ground killed.

[BufordTPisser]

Or, just as unlikely.

Well lets just see in the end how unlikely it is. Personally I believe it.

[Decholder]

Well lets just see in the end how unlikely it is. Personally I believe it.

Agreed, Obama thus far has shown his friendliness to all those who wish us destroyed....So it doesn't seem very farfetched that he would do the same here.

[WhiteShadow]

TMATUWYTA = Too. Many. Acronyms. To. Understand. What. Your. Talking. About.

[Decholder]

TMATUWYTA = Too. Many. Acronyms. To. Understand. What. Your. Talking. About.

BHO=Barrack Hussein Obama
DEVGRU/NSWC=Naval Special Warfare Development Group/Naval Surface Warfare Center
ROE=Rules of Engagement
RIB=Rigid Inflatable Boat
CDR=Commander
And I'm not 100% on this next one:
CPN=Captain (normally Cpt.)

[mikey]

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