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    Default Re: 20/20 on ABC: "Easy Access: $5,000 and One Hour Buys 10 Guns" ("gun show loophole

    That show did change my view on guns . In that I really need to practice practice practice! Wish ABC would give me $5000 to buy as many guns as I could in an hour!
    This is the typical anti gun media trying to scare America into banning firearms. Everything was all the same anti gun rhetoric about dangers of having a firearm, I personally am angry how the exploited children for their political agenda, Who would leave guns lying around in an "experiment"
    to see how kids react to finding a gun? They also exploited the people who have had accidents with firearms, which are far fewer than accidents with drunk drivers and far less than drug overdoses. Then they had the gall to say that they could not find enough data showing effectiveness of using a gun in self defense? they didn't even make an attempt to find any data. The only truth was in the first part where they were seeing how people could handle themselves in a gun fight situation I agree that you need hundreds and thousands of hours of training but we already knew that didn't we?
    Final note a cell phone is of no use if you got no service, But I guess ABC once again failed to do research.

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    Default Re: 20/20 on ABC: "Easy Access: $5,000 and One Hour Buys 10 Guns" ("gun show loophole

    My favorite part was when they said your best bet in an active shooter situation is to play dead then call the police. They went on to say that's what saved the secretary in the NY shooting. Naturally, they neglected to mention that the police sat outside wasting time for nearly an hour.

    The cops they used in the FoF scenarios were so full of themselves. They kept talking about their sub one second response time. Yet, they resorted to cheating in FoF. They always put the armed guy in the same place everytime and he was almost always the second one shot even if his gun wasn't out. It is concealed carry, that means you don't know who, if anyone, is carrying. And their one 'expert' only practiced shooting cans in his back yard with an airsoft gun. None of them had any real training beyond your basic CCW classes.

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    Default Re: 20/20 on ABC: "Easy Access: $5,000 and One Hour Buys 10 Guns" ("gun show loophole

    Comments on Sawyer's page.

    Your 20/20 episode "If I Only Had a Gun" was incredibly dishonest. But it did serve your anti-gun agenda nicely.
    Here are some of the things I got out of it -
    * Because the classroom shooter ALWAYS wins, it's better to be sitting ducks and remove even the opportunity to defend one's self than it is to give even half a chance of stopping a shooter.
    * Defense skills are so perishable that without training you can loose them in 30 days. This would also mean that the vast majority of police officers that "qualify" with a gun twice a year should be disarmed, as their skills with the weapon will have disappeared.
    * Placing guns in a child's toy box makes them think - "It's a toy!" Brilliant....
    * The lack of training in firearms safety that was once a part of public education means that when an individual encounters a gun, they have no idea how to safely handle it. This is would be analogous to having a teenager from the Kombai tribe try to drive a car. They have never been in a car, never been taught to drive a car - do you think they would safely operate that car? By the way, having your producer intentionally load a gun and pull the trigger was a poorly veiled attempt at confusing the audience into thinking that one of the other college kids was the one that did that.
    * In Pahokee, FL, it's a gun problem - not a drug problem, not a gang problem, not a violent culture problem - if we could possibly remove every gun in Pahokee it would become a paradise of peace and tranquility... ugh!
    * There is no such thing as an honest transaction at a gun show, and there is no use in reporting that statistics available from the ATF and FBI that track the number of guns used in crimes that are purchased at gun shows.
    * There are no authoritative sources that can corroborate the legal use of firearms to defend one's self or prevent violent crime. This must mean that the stats available from the FBI and the research of people like John Lott don't exist.

    2000 character max - that explains the lack of research the show did. They were limited on what they could say </sarcasm>
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    Default Re: 20/20 on ABC: "Easy Access: $5,000 and One Hour Buys 10 Guns" ("gun show loophole

    Can this be viewed online?

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    Default Re: 20/20 on ABC: "Easy Access: $5,000 and One Hour Buys 10 Guns" ("gun show loophole

    Yes, but it is broken into parts.

    http://abcnews.go.com/2020

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    Default Re: 20/20 on ABC: "Easy Access: $5,000 and One Hour Buys 10 Guns" ("gun show loophole

    Quote Originally Posted by Phillygunguy View Post
    That show did change my view on guns . In that I really need to practice practice practice! Wish ABC would give me $5000 to buy as many guns as I could in an hour!
    This is the typical anti gun media trying to scare America into banning firearms. Everything was all the same anti gun rhetoric about dangers of having a firearm, I personally am angry how the exploited children for their political agenda, Who would leave guns lying around in an "experiment"
    to see how kids react to finding a gun?
    That child experiment exploits natural curiosity of children. My children understand and respect firearms and there is no "novelty" to them. I had my RPK sitting in the living room for 2 days and nobody touched it because if they want to touch it they say, "hey dad, can we shoot that one at the range this weekend?" No big deal, no ooohs and aaaahs. Take an 18yr old girl, and then have her get married for 20yrs.. what happens if you leave your penis out? Same reaction.
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    Default Re: 20/20 on ABC: "Easy Access: $5,000 and One Hour Buys 10 Guns" ("gun show loophole

    For those that watched it last night... Did anyone see the irony that during an anti-gun special, ABC was promoting one of their TV shows that had gun owning characters, and also a Russell Crowe movie that involved firearms?

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    Default Re: 20/20 on ABC: "Easy Access: $5,000 and One Hour Buys 10 Guns" ("gun show loophole

    Quote Originally Posted by Solo View Post
    For those that watched it last night... Did anyone see the irony that during an anti-gun special, ABC was promoting one of their TV shows that had gun owning characters, and also a Russell Crowe movie that involved firearms?
    Yeah but those where filmed in California where responsible gun control laws are on the book and they have no gun crime. hahahahhahahahaha
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    Default Re: 20/20 on ABC: "Easy Access: $5,000 and One Hour Buys 10 Guns" ("gun show loophole

    I don't know why I watch these shows, nothing but lies. I had to laugh with the little kid in Fla. Town with no jobs and everyone they showed with a gun was a gang member. like banning firearms is going to make them go straight. And as far as the berived brother who was only on this show for his own personal agenda, even if the FTF handguns sales are legal in VA, how about when he refused to show the dealer his id, and then payed $100 extra just to skirt the law, well he did commit a crime there, why is he not locked up.

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    Default Re: 20/20 on ABC: "Easy Access: $5,000 and One Hour Buys 10 Guns" ("gun show loophole

    Many things to rant on about this show. The one that I'm thinking of right now is that "the NRA declined our request..." WTF!? Sorry to turn this into and anti NRA rant, but what do they exist for if not to give a cogent, thoughtful response to this emotional and inaccurate portrayal. It's not like ABC wasn't going to air something, so instead of having the NRA get at least a few seconds of reason into the piece, it is without a single voice who might artfully present a pro RKBA point of view. In addition, their refusal and its portrayal have the added bonus of creating the appearance that we gun owners have something to be ashamed of. Disgusting. I joined via the free membership posted here, but am already reconsidering.......

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