US has been planning for the collapse of Mexican Govt for over 1 year

[son of the revolution]

Being reported on now . Since last year The US Govt and DHS ( under Chertoff ) has been putting together a contigency plan for the possibilty of the collapse of the Mexican Govt . Apparently certain members of the US Govt have seen something of the writing on the wall with regards to the huge problems on the border and they are anticipating an influx of 1000's , if not 10's of thousands of " refugees " coming across .
From whats being reported , it sounds like their planning a " centralized location " for the temporary housing of refugee's , until they are able to be repatriated back to Mexico . Sorta sounds like the internment camps of WWII . Hey , Congress !! For the love of God just mine the no man's land , build the wall , grant American land owners on the Border the legal authority to defend the Border with force and legalize pot and alot of these problems go away rather quickly !

[PocketProtector]

And who's making the plan for the collapse of the USA Government ??

[son of the revolution]

And who's making the plan for the collapse of the USA Government ??

We are !!!!

[keryst]

The government makes contingency plans for just about everything that can affect them. It is nothing unusual or special. Every once in awhile, some obscure plan comes to light based on some fanciful future event/situation/cataclysm and people flip out as if it is not something every government is doing all the time.

[camper]

I wouldn't be surprised, there are plans for almost everything in the government. Mexico's government collapsing is a VERY reasonable thing to plan for--as is a Canadian collapse. However, the writing is on the wall for Mexico...not so much Canada. Maybe that's what these fema camps are about?

But as far as the legalizing pot issue, why does everyone think that legalization of marijuana will end the drug war?

camper

[adymond]

I don't agree that these refugees would be in anything like the WWII internment camps or that they should be repelled from coming into the country. If they are refugees trying to escape a narco-state the right thing to do would be to set up refugee camps and providing security along our border so that there is nobody following them. Screen them for contraband as they come across and monitor the camp so they can't slip out, but we would NEED to do something to support them.

[PocketProtector]

Seems to me like a back door way to legitimize an illegal voting bloc.

[adymond]

Seems to me like a back door way to legitimize an illegal voting bloc.

Allowing refugees who are fleeing the collapse of Mexico an illegal voting block?

So long as they are treated as refugees and not offered citizenship I'm okay with welcoming them.

[stephpd]

I saw something yesterday that was reported by Amnesty International . It had do do with the ICE detention centers and how we are keeping many of these folks there for ~ 10 months or more.

Here is ICE's list of detention centers:

http://www.ice.gov/pi/dro/facilities.htm

Here's the report from Fox news:

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/ten...bers-tripled-/

Here are the headlines from Amnesty International and their report:

http://www.amnestyusa.org/immigrant-....do?id=1641031

http://www.amnestyusa.org/uploads/Ja...outJustice.pdf

[son of the revolution]

I wouldn't be surprised, there are plans for almost everything in the government. Mexico's government collapsing is a VERY reasonable thing to plan for--as is a Canadian collapse. However, the writing is on the wall for Mexico...not so much Canada. Maybe that's what these fema camps are about?

But as far as the legalizing pot issue, why does everyone think that legalization of marijuana will end the drug war?

camper

Well , there are any number of reasons the Drug War is a joke .
We tried Prohibition once already , it was a miserably failure , didnt stop anyone from drinking and actually created organized crime.

You can NEVER legislate morality . People are always going to find a way to do what they want to do . We are spending 100's of millions of dollars a year for what ?? Have we stopped the flow of drugs ? NO

The violence associated with illegal drugs is largely because they are illegal . People fighting over " turf " , dealers worried about rip off's etc . Something like 80 percent of people serving a felony length prison sentence are incarcerated for a NON violent drug possesion offense . The inevitable result of such a policy is two fold, that there is LESS room in the prisons for the true criminal predators ( the rapists , molesters, murderers , etc ) and the formerly non violent offenders often become ingrained with the idea that violence is the only means of survival available to them . ( Look in the thread on Constitutional Right and Felons where I explained this in more detail )

Pot is NOT the " gateway " drug the Govt would like everyone to believe . They need people to believe the lie in order to justify their ever increasing budgets . I have lost count of the number of parties, concerts, etc where people toked on some reefer and did nothing more then eat cheetos and zone out in front of the TV . Conversely , I have similarly lost count of the number of times I have seen someone drink to much , grow " beer balls " and want to fight the whole world .

Im not suggesting we legalize crack , meth , heroin , etc .
What I am suggesting is if we legalized pot , and treated it just like alcohol ; minimum age 21 , regulated potency , DUI charges , etc and taxed it like tobacco , we would make a HUGE difference in both the violent crime rates AND the Fed deficit . Freud was once quoted as saying " the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result " , that sums up exactly what our policy towards drugs has been since the 70's . We tried it for 30 years , it hasnt worked , and its far past the time to try something else .