turned down by nics

**bentwrench** · March 14th, 2009, 06:30 PM

A friend and I were at the valley forge gun show today, he was turned down by the seller.Now he hasn't purchased a new gun in almost 30 years.the seller told us they [the pasp] have to research his info.can anyone tell me what this means or what he has to do to clear this up?
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**HiredGoon** · March 14th, 2009, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by bentwrench

A friend and I were at the valley forge gun show today, he was turned down by the seller.Now he hasn't purchased a new gun in almost 30 years.the seller told us they [the pasp] have research his info.can anyone tell me what this means or what he has to do to clear this up?
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He may have a common name or PICS was too busy at the moment to check him. Or maybe his S.S. # was similar to a prohibited person. All could be possibilities why he was put into "research".

**bentwrench** · March 14th, 2009, 06:36 PM

He won't put a ss# down,I never have and I've never been turned down
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**fingers80002** · March 14th, 2009, 06:41 PM

He wasn't denied, he was put into "research". They have 15 days to approve or deny.

**sksmith75** · March 14th, 2009, 07:05 PM

I was held in "research" for a little over a week one time. Irritated me, but it came through with no problem.

I was buying an O/U Fall Turkey gun (12 gauge over a .223). My first thought was that I had a "flag" as my prior purchase was my S/A M1A, but I think I was just being a little paranoid.

**eXceLon** · March 14th, 2009, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by bentwrench

He won't put a ss# down

I can certainly appreciate why someone wouldn't want to give out their social security number, but this is probably part of the reason why he was put into "research". Providing your social security number makes it much less likely that you'll be confused for someone else. I think it might even say right on the form that it's not required, but that it will simplify/speedup the process.

**SteveWag** · March 14th, 2009, 09:18 PM

The only thing that the Dealer gives the automated PICS is the PA D.L. number. The PICS system reads back the last four digits of the SSN to the Dealer, along with the last name and DOB. If these match the info the purchaser’s info, the Dealer should be satisfied and “tell” the automated system that the info matches. At this point the automated systems start both a Federal and a State background checks. Now, if a long gun is being purchased a SSN is not required and the Dealer only needs to verify the name and DOB. If the automated background checks stall, a live operator is called and gets on line, only one time was I asked for a SSN, and I replied that the purchase was a long gun and that was the end of the SSN. Your friend probably has a similar last name/DOB and will be notified soon.

Steve