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January 2nd, 2009, 12:19 PM #1
And so it begins
The attack on carry in National Parks has begun with an innocuious article. Watch in the upcoming weeks how this is tied to firearms in National Parks.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28469315
Originally Posted by http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28469315
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January 2nd, 2009, 12:25 PM #2
Re: And so it begins
I'm sure you're right that this will be spun wildly, but the new rule is not yet in effect, so it has no bearing on the increased statistics.
Also, if I were determined to take my own life, and preferred to do it in a particular place, I can't imagine that a rule (or law) prohibiting firearms would stop me (just like it doesn't stop determined shooters in malls and schools).Get your "Guns Save Lives" stickers today! PM for more info.
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January 2nd, 2009, 12:26 PM #3
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Time will tell.
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January 2nd, 2009, 12:32 PM #4
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I agree with each point, but I don't think logic comes into play when we are talking about gun control. I mean it's for the children, or the park rangers, or ummm I dunno.
What I am expecting is an op-ed coming out that says "with the recent increase in suicides in national parks does it really seem prudent to allow people to carry firearms there?" Or something to that effect. Hope I'm wrong, but wouldn't be surprised.
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January 2nd, 2009, 12:35 PM #5
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January 2nd, 2009, 12:40 PM #6
Re: And so it begins
I vote that we make it illegal to commit suicide in a public place
"Skin that'n pilgrim, and I'll git ya another"
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January 2nd, 2009, 12:41 PM #7
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How else are these people going to kill themselves? All jokes aside it's the easiest/most efficient way to kill yourself beyond poisoning.
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January 2nd, 2009, 01:05 PM #8
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Fortunately only one of the incidents mentioned expressly involved a firearm. Unfortunately it was also the first one mentioned, and the most "vividly" described.
Historically the suicide rate substatially increases in times of economic turmoil - It would be very hard (but I'm sure they'll try) to make the case that this has any bearing on policy change.
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Re: And so it begins
Probably easier than most poisons as well.
1) we're talking 33 people in one of the worst economies. yawn.
2) it's better than cleaning up a mess someone left behind in an apartment.
3) if I was to spent my last day somewhere, a scenic park sounds like a good place.
4) no chance of scarring a loved one with the discovery. let a stranger deal with that shit. Maybe even luck out and let nature clean up.
Other than perhaps a family with children stumbling upon the aftermath, sounds like this is a win-win. Guns and park passes for everybody!!!
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January 2nd, 2009, 04:11 PM #10
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I think it's a bit of a stretch to get at an anti-gun position from this. Only one case mentions a gun. If anything I'd expect them to use this to get higher guard rails. However, as we all know, if jumping to your death makes you a criminal, then only criminals will jump to their death.
(And when it does begin, it will be with the .50 BMG and that will be 'linked' to the war on/of terror.)
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