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January 21st, 2025, 09:21 PM #11
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Re: Third Party Transfers at Gun Shows?
economics is the simple answer. lets say you charge $25 for a transfer*i mean any higher than that and people will bitch up a storm. for the $25, you give the state some of it. the rest is for the dealer after he completes the check, and logging in and out on his time after the show. now, lets say the show is out of town and you have a 2 hours drive back home. after pack up, drive, and unpacking you then sit down to do your paperwork and complete the logging process. later on you will pay the state their money for the check and fill out more paperwork for this same transaction. then you file it away ready for an ATF inspection at any moment for the rest of the time you are in business. now, 10 weeks*months*or years down the road*the firearm is stolen/ends up in a crime/etc. and the ATF conducts a trace. they call you out of the blue*and you have to take more of your time to do the research and call the ATF back. perhaps a year goes by and a prosecutor calls you and sends you a subpoena in the mail for you to show up at a courthouse in the same county the show was held at*.2 hours from your place of business. so you close down your shop for the day, drive to the court house, waste your time, gas, and tolls just so you can testify about a transaction you did the paperwork for*but never made money off of. now, you are out the cost of all of the above as well as a day of lost productivity and your time. not a single person on here would sacrifice this if their employer demanded it.
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January 22nd, 2025, 07:34 AM #12
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Re: Third Party Transfers at Gun Shows?
in a private to private , but through an ffl scenario. such as you mentioned , private out of stater with table at oaks . goes to ffl to transfer . is it legit for ffl to accept directly from him , to sign into books ? then disposition out to in state buyer ? just wondering as i know they weird about buying out of state without shipping to ffl
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January 22nd, 2025, 08:30 AM #13
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Re: Third Party Transfers at Gun Shows?
Gun show loophole?
No, just stupid.
And not to digress to the whole idea of background checks, etc., but a non-FFL with a table at a gun show just seems to be asking for trouble. I suppose the one-time personal collection scenario comes into play, but if that same person repeatedly shows up at gun shows...
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January 22nd, 2025, 09:29 AM #14
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January 22nd, 2025, 09:37 AM #15
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Re: Third Party Transfers at Gun Shows?
the legal issue resides in the act of transferring a firearm from an out of state person to someone in state directly on the spot. all out of state firearms must be shipped to an FFL and the FFL then transfers said firearm to the purchaser. no *on site* immediate transfers (even between dealers) are legal. many FFLs will break this law unknowingly by thinking they conducted the background check so what does it matter? The ATF distinctly describes this scenario in detail during its interviews. ALL firearms must be transferred to an out of state dealer prior to the transfer. for instance, if a PA dealer is at a MD show, they cannot simply sell a gun and walk it over to a MD dealer for them to do the transfer. C&R eligible firearms are exempt for this law. if you are an out of state seller, you can only take an order for a modern firearm and must then ship it to a transfer dealer. Not sure if i worded that properly or if it makes sense. I have seen this exact scenario unfold many times at various show locations. I have also seen a specific MD private seller break this law many times. He told me that he has a Maryland issued FFL that allows him to buy and sell without doing any paperwork that he calls a *table top license*. He sets up at Oaks, York, Harrisburg, and various flea markets. He is so full of shit, that he actually believes his own lies.
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January 23rd, 2025, 07:38 AM #16
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Re: Third Party Transfers at Gun Shows?
i know of the dealer you are referring to. and that answers my question . its one of the laws stretched or read to fit their beliefs as needed.
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January 23rd, 2025, 11:17 PM #17
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January 25th, 2025, 12:45 AM #18
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January 25th, 2025, 09:25 AM #19
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Re: Third Party Transfers at Gun Shows?
enough to never put myself in that position again. id ask you how many times you did something for someone that cost you money*but im sure you probably dont do things for other people. and im positive if you did do something for someone and it cost you money*you would never do it again. any other stupid questions you want to ask?
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January 25th, 2025, 11:27 AM #20
Re: Third Party Transfers at Gun Shows?
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