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    Default Stolen elections, why vote?

    In another thread I mentioned that i know 3 people (republicans) who have said variations of *they will not be voting in the election this year because the democrats are going to just steal so why play the game anymore*. They were demoralized after 2020.

    I*ve heard many people on various online sites and in my daily life say the 2020 election was stolen. I*ve given the 3 people from the first sentence reasons why I think they should vote anyway, but they don*t care, they say they are not voting.

    My question for anyone reading this
    If you believe last election was stolen/ and/or think this election will be stolen, are you planning on voting? If so why? If you are not planning on voting, is there anything that would convince you to do so?

    Thoughts from anyone are welcomed.

    I am hoping I will read something that I can use to convince people I know who say they are not voting to vote.

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    Default Re: Stolen elections, why vote?

    Because its all a giant dog and pony show. The whole thing plays out like a hollywood special and has been decided where its going to go long before we get there.

    Why not vote? Because better things to do with time.

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    Default Re: Stolen elections, why vote?

    If you don't vote (for any reason) you are complicit in the outcome. You have not done your civic duty (as a good citizen) to contribute your vote toward the ongoing support of the US Constitution.

    Not withstanding that many citizens violate the USC with their actions (illegal voting), YOU have a duty to fulfill. Their actions do not alter that duty. Just because criminals are wont to break-in & rob businesses, it makes no sense to be complicit by not using iron bars to prevent what you can.

    Acquiescence, by deliberately allowing EASIER violations, is ABDICATING your duty. You are turning over your counter-vote to those who are illegally gaming the system. You are participating by NOT-PARTICIPATING!

    Whatever its source, the maxim is true --- "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

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    Default Re: Stolen elections, why vote?

    I would think Congress' failure to correct the border situation for YEARS is enough to discourage many.
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    Default Re: Stolen elections, why vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by ImminentDanger View Post
    If you don't vote (for any reason) you are complicit in the outcome. You have not done your civic duty (as a good citizen) to contribute your vote toward the ongoing support of the US Constitution.

    Not withstanding that many citizens violate the USC with their actions (illegal voting), YOU have a duty to fulfill. Their actions do not alter that duty. Just because criminals are wont to break-in & rob businesses, it makes no sense to be complicit by not using iron bars to prevent what you can.

    Acquiescence, by deliberately allowing EASIER violations, is ABDICATING your duty. You are turning over your counter-vote to those who are illegally gaming the system. You are participating by NOT-PARTICIPATING!

    Whatever its source, the maxim is true --- "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

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    THIS RIGHT HERE ^^^^
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    Default Re: Stolen elections, why vote?

    I'm for voting, but I sure as hell don't trust the dastardcrats not to rig/steal the election. There's a reason they let in a few million illegals and loosened up voter registration laws. This is all the MORE reason to vote and be out there monitoring the polls and ballot boxes and vote counting process. The election will comes down to a few votes in a few key states and PA is one of them and SEPA is ground zero and needs serious overwatch.

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    Default Re: Stolen elections, why vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by internet troll View Post
    In another thread I mentioned that i know 3 people (republicans) who have said variations of *they will not be voting in the election this year because the democrats are going to just steal so why play the game anymore*. They were demoralized after 2020.
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    I am hoping I will read something that I can use to convince people I know who say they are not voting to vote.
    The generic reason is because, at the individual level, your vote simply does not matter with respect to Federal elections. The math just isn't there. The odds of the result being affected by a SINGLE VOTE in YOUR DISTRICT are so small as to be a virtual impossibility.

    Whether people don't vote because they realize this basic fact, or they feel conspiracy is involved, really doesn't matter.

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    Default Re: Stolen elections, why vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by free View Post
    The generic reason is because, at the individual level, your vote simply does not matter with respect to Federal elections. The math just isn't there. The odds of the result being affected by a SINGLE VOTE in YOUR DISTRICT are so small as to be a virtual impossibility.

    Whether people don't vote because they realize this basic fact, or they feel conspiracy is involved, really doesn't matter.
    This is daft. In an honest election, of course every vote matters. How is the math not there? Show your work...

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    Default Re: Stolen elections, why vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excommunicated View Post
    This is daft. In an honest election, of course every vote matters. How is the math not there? Show your work...
    Candidate 1 wins by 500 votes
    Candidate 2 loses by 500 votes.
    Election is completely fair and no BS.

    It doesn't matter if any particular person voted for Candidate 1 or Candidate 2 or no candidate at all. Candidate 1 still wins.

    Argue about it all you want to - that's the reality and the bottom line.

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    Default Re: Stolen elections, why vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by free View Post
    Candidate 1 wins by 500 votes
    Candidate 2 loses by 500 votes.
    Election is completely fair and no BS.

    It doesn't matter if any particular person voted for Candidate 1 or Candidate 2 or no candidate at all. Candidate 1 still wins.

    Argue about it all you want to - that's the reality and the bottom line.
    And if 501 individuals who stayed home came out to vote for Candidate 2?

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