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    Default Re: Steamtown Mall in Scranton has gone full anti-2A

    If some one was to violate this policy and be caught and charged with carrying on their property they would stand a good chance of getting the charges dismissed, because when it comes down to it words have meaning in a court of law. The Common Wealth Of Pennsylvania does not issue "concealed carry permits", they issue License's to carry a firearm.
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    Default Re: Steamtown Mall in Scranton has gone full anti-2A

    I just found interesting how he chose to quote "arm" and "trained security". I could picture him winking at the same time.

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    Default Re: Steamtown Mall in Scranton has gone full anti-2A

    Ignoring, for a moment, the dubious nature of these signs, who wants to go to the Steamtown Mall, anyway?

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    Default Re: Steamtown Mall in Scranton has gone full anti-2A

    Any "no guns" signs at the Wyoming Valley Mall?

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    Default Re: Steamtown Mall in Scranton has gone full anti-2A

    Unless it's a felony, I walk right on by.

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    Default Re: Steamtown Mall in Scranton has gone full anti-2A

    Quote Originally Posted by chp1911 View Post
    If some one was to violate this policy and be caught and charged with carrying on their property they would stand a good chance of getting the charges dismissed, because when it comes down to it words have meaning in a court of law. The Common Wealth Of Pennsylvania does not issue "concealed carry permits", they issue License's to carry a firearm.
    The prevailing wisdom on POOFA is that if you are caught carrying on private property or violating their rules all they can do is ask you to leave. If you don't leave then it becomes a trespassing violation and that is when the police can become involved.

    And this is why I wasn't suggesting anything......I was just say'n.

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    Default Re: Steamtown Mall in Scranton has gone full anti-2A

    Quote Originally Posted by cdi View Post
    That sounds like a reasonable response to me. You even received a first person reply. If I owned the mall, I*d do the same thing- I just wouldn*t look too hard for people violating my signs.
    If the guy has an armed act 235 force on duty, he committed to action when he didn*t have too. Regardless of your opinion of the competence of act 235 guys, at least it*s something.

    He*s heading off problems at the pass. There are a few open and concealed carry morons that ruin it for the rest of us. This strikes me as a regrettable balance.
    I would agree. I also wonder what their response would be, to those who are qualified and carry under the LEOSA and who may or may not have a LTCF? Specifically retired LEO’s, military as noted in US title 18, 926B. They are trained and must qualify annually.

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    Default Re: Steamtown Mall in Scranton has gone full anti-2A

    Do the still have an Orange Julius in their mall? Asking for a friend.
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    Default Re: Steamtown Mall in Scranton has gone full anti-2A

    Quote Originally Posted by Corn Flake View Post
    ... and then they wonder why malls are dying.

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    There is not a single mall, anywhere on planet Earth, that is dying because it prohibits the concealed carry of firearms.



    Quote Originally Posted by ROCK-IT3 View Post
    Sounds to me like they are accepting liability for protecting guests.
    They are stuck with that liability regardless of their policy on concealed firearms.

    Quote Originally Posted by esh21167 View Post
    Ok. So if the sign and armed security are their reassurance of safety and protection, and you get shot by a bad actor, you should sue them for not protecting you as they said they would.
    Get real. They're going to get sued no matter what signs they do or do not have posted.

    Quote Originally Posted by chp1911 View Post
    If some one was to violate this policy and be caught and charged with carrying on their property they would stand a good chance of getting the charges dismissed, because when it comes down to it words have meaning in a court of law. The Common Wealth Of Pennsylvania does not issue "concealed carry permits", they issue License's to carry a firearm.
    You are confusing title with function.

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    Default Re: Steamtown Mall in Scranton has gone full anti-2A

    Quote Originally Posted by W2MC View Post
    Ignoring, for a moment, the dubious nature of these signs, who wants to go to the Steamtown Mall, anyway?
    And whoop, there it is.
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