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Thread: VFG on AR Pistol
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March 21st, 2024, 04:52 PM #1Super Member
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VFG on AR Pistol
I have an 11.5" Sig Tread AR pistol with a pistol brace. My question is can I put a Sig verticle foregrip on the mlok hand guard to better control my shots?
Some are saying no because it's a pistol, only angled foregrips are allowed.
Others are saying because the gun is over 26" due to the 11.5" barrel, it's considered a "firearm", and a verticle fore grip is completely legal.
Can anyone confirm?
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March 21st, 2024, 05:51 PM #2
Re: VFG on AR Pistol
If it was transferred to you as a pistol on the ATF Form 4473 and the SP4-113 (PICS Form) then it is a pistol and you cannot have a vertical hand grip on it. Angled yes, vertical no.
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March 21st, 2024, 06:55 PM #3
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March 21st, 2024, 09:46 PM #4Super Member
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March 21st, 2024, 10:09 PM #5
Re: VFG on AR Pistol
Wouldn't that be a AOW? I unregistered my olympic arms ar pistol with the tango down grip on it so I can sell it easier.
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March 21st, 2024, 10:18 PM #6
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Adding a vertical grip turns it into an AOW.
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March 21st, 2024, 10:47 PM #7
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Re: VFG on AR Pistol
This is correct. Present configuration is what matters, not what was checked on the 4473.
If it has a rifled bore, the overall length is > 26" and it is not intended to be fired from the shoulder, it is a "firearm" when equipped with a vertical foregrip.
It is not a machinegun because it is not capable of firing more than one round per single function of the trigger.
It is not a destructive device because it is not chambered for a cartridge with a bore over 1/2".
It is not a shotgun because it has a rifled bore, does not fire a shotshell, and is not designed to be fired from the shoulder -- nor is it an SBS for the same reason.
It is not a rifle because it is not intended to be fired from the shoulder -- nor is it an SBR for the same reason.
It is not a pistol because in this case it WOULD have a second vertical grip which would mean it is intended to be fired with two hands.
It is not an AOW because the overall length is >26" which is the constraint that the ATF uses to determine whether a firearm that doesn't meet any of the other criteria is "concealable".
So provided that the lower you are using was not INITIALLY assembled as a complete rifle, it would not fall under the weapon made from rifle criteria which would require registration as an SBR. Therefore the firearm you describe would be considered simply a firearm when equipped with a vertical foregrip.
This assumes, once again, that the overall length IS INDEED over 26".Last edited by buckengr; March 21st, 2024 at 11:56 PM.
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March 21st, 2024, 11:55 PM #9
Re: VFG on AR Pistol
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Re: VFG on AR Pistol
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