Open carry is asking for trouble!!!

[Michele]

Whoa!

You carry your way and i'll carry mine. How I choose to carry my firearm has absolutely nothing to do with you, your rights or your decision to even carry a firearm. I do appreciate you not trampling on my rights and my freedoms.

However, I am taking offense to you calling me stupid because i've made the INFORMED decision to O/C. This is a decision that I in no way took lightly.

I O/C and C/C, depending on my/the situation. Believe it or not, there was one time I was O/Cing, and my O/C quite possibly prevented a very ugly situation.

Maybe you should take a few minutes, especially today, the day of thanks and reflect on the rights and freedoms you have in this great nation. Maybe if you learn to appreciate yours, you'll learn to appreciate others.

United we stand, divided we fall. A right not exercised is a right lost.

[cgbudde]

Ok I will post a response directly to the op. Have you considered that by having a gun at all can create a reason for the 2nd amendment to be abolished. If for some reason a bad guy gets into your house and steals away with your gun, you have indirectly contributed to the crime rate.

Now if the same bad guy goes and shoots some one with your gun, say a politician. Some one who has some pull. They go and pass laws all because you decided to have a gun. Not because you open carried or concealed carry. Just because you wanted a gun to go and punch holes in paper.

Very well said.

Another question for you 1adam12, don't you feel that at this time all gun owners should stick together regardless of your opinion on OC. You remind me of people I know that are hunters. During the election as I was trying to tell them that Obama wanted stricter laws for assault weapons and to eliminate concealed carry permits, some of them answered that they do not have assault weapons and do not CC so it does not affect them. But the bottom line is that the main gaol of these anti-gunners are the complete ban on all fireaqrms even hunting rifles. Remember it does not matter whether you use a certain gun or not, we stay together or we all lose. And once that happens forget all your rights.

[1861]

I prefer kettle corn....... people that like buttered are stupid.

only a coward would hide their corn in a kettle . LOL

[PennsyPlinker]

Ok ladies and gentlemen before the blood letting begins from this post ‘’opinion’‘ please consider that what we do can and will have ramifications for us all eventually. My point is this just because we can open carry doesn’t mean we should! Hey if you are carrying concealed and your jacket opens or your shirt lifts up displaying your gun that’s one thing but to knowingly, willingly and openly display your gun just invites trouble on many levels. First you have the idiots who will play the tough guy,Police Officers who enforce laws that do not exist and are created in there minds because it feels right to them and the retards who are afraid that you are exercising your Constitutional Right To Bear Arms.Remember when we make stupid choices i.e ‘’open carry ‘’ it affects us all by laws being created that will prevent us from being able to protect ourselves and our family!

Your words. not mine. I am not taking a jab at you, only quoting you. But as for the rest of it, please, please, PLEASE, cite some evidence of the things you mention. Okay, I'll give you cops enforcing laws that do not exist. But in return you need to demonstrate that this does not happen in any venue other than guns. In fact, it happens across the board. Cops are going to make up any law they like from time to time. It has nothing to do with carrying guns.

Idiots abound, regardless of whether or not they carry guns. You cannot legislate stupidity out of the human race. So why should I be infringed because someone else can't handle responsibility?

And where are the laws? There are people hell bent on taking away our guns period. They don't differentiate between OC and CC. They want NO C. They want you to give up the gun that is locked up, disassembled, and tucked away in your closet. But there are no new laws pending here or anywhere that I know where people have decided enough of this open carry. So please, show me and the rest of us where this is happening.

And in the meantime, you might want to edit your original post. I marked it in red for you.

[Cyo]

I wonder if the OP has every actually seen anyone going around OC. While people come here and discuss their experiences, out in the world beyond the keyboard, the people who do OC typically are not making efforts to draw attention to the fact that they are packing. It's not like folks are sitting in Wendy's and saying, "excuse me, can I borrow your salt, and by the way, I've got a gun and it's my damn right to carry it." Instead, they are wearing their gun like millions of other people have their cell phones clipped to a belt. Most folks who OC are just going about their day and are not making it an issue until someone else does. In general, I think they may actually do a great deal of good for the gun owning community because they make it clear that you can be a 'normal' citizen going about his/her day and still be a gun owner. (Who would of guessed 'gun owners' could be normal folks? )

However, I do think that within OC, there lies a danger that has the potential to be used against gun owners. I wonder how long OC would be allowed to exists if large groups of young urban men made a point of legally carrying OC. I'm guessing if you took a large number of Black and Latino men who were all OC and in full compliance with all laws, and had them start visiting local suburban shopping areas, restaurants, etc. there would be a major push to end OC. While I don't expect it to happen, it seems to me that if antis really wanted to attack OC, this would be an effective way to do it.

[PennsyPlinker]

However, I do think that within OC, there lies a danger that has the potential to be used against gun owners. I wonder how long OC would be allowed to exists if large groups of young urban men made a point of legally carrying OC. I'm guessing if you took a large number of Black and Latino men who were all OC and in full compliance with all laws, and had them start visiting local suburban shopping areas, restaurants, etc. there would be a major push to end OC. While I don't expect it to happen, it seems to me that if antis really wanted to attack OC, this would be an effective way to do it.

So it is only safe for us white boys? I will tell you the truth, a group of well behaved people, whoever they are, legally carrying guns and comporting themselves within the norms of societal behavior - i.e. no overt intimidation, no loud raucous behavior, etc, is not a problem. We need more of it.

[Frenchy]

Blue is mine. I will attempt to translate this for the rest of us.

Ok ladies and gentlemen before the blood letting begins from this post ‘’opinion’‘ please consider that what we do can and will have ramifications for us all eventually. (this means I already know this will make many upset, and I don't care. My opinion counts and its the only one that counts.)
My point is this just because we can open carry doesn’t mean we should! (Just because bathing suits exist, does not mean you should wear one)
Hey if you are carrying concealed and your jacket opens or your shirt lifts up displaying your gun that’s one thing but to knowingly, Hey, just because you go to the beach, if you see a girl in a bikini and your meat prints, thats one thing) willingly and openly display your gun just invites trouble on many levels. (Willingly and openly displaying it in a speedo invites troubles on many levels.)
First you have the idiots who will play the tough guy, (First you have the gay guys oogling you over)
Police Officers who enforce laws that do not exist and are created in there minds because it feels right to them (Lifeguards who watch that every one is safe and tell people they can't swim because of laws they make up) and the retards who are afraid that you are exercising your Constitutional Right (And people with very little life in them who could not get it up unless they use Viagra will be jealous)
To Bear Arms. (To flaunt your meat)
Remember when we make stupid choices i.e ‘’open carry ‘’ (remember when you make stupid choices, IE: Speedos) it affects us all by laws being created that will prevent us from being able to protect ourselves and our family! It affects us all by laws being created that will prevent from being nudists So wear your jeans to the Beach, my family will appreciate it

Now Open carry in the nudist way is not legal in most of PA, I am sure there are a few nudist camps, but it is not a state wide thing that says you can go without clothes. So if this was a thread about a state where gun laws said you can not carry open, I would agree with the OP, but it is not.

PA, is an open carry state. You suggesting that I should not do so, because YOU feel it is wrong, is like some one telling me I can not use a generator in PA because it is illegal in California. Or better yet, telling me I can't wear a Speedo because it is wrong in your eyes...

If I was to say to you, You should not drive a car because the pollution from it kills people, and it scares some people.. Would you listen to me?
I don't think so, If i said to you, Don't eat meat because it offends me and my faith... Would you listen to me? Why not!

Maybe you would also like to tell me not to use power tools because the Amish believe they are not needed. Or own a car because they are against some Arab faiths.

You live in America, you are allowed to an opinion, but just because you have one, is not a good reason to go off telling people how they should be based on YOUR feelings.

Believe me, I come from a country that listened to people like you, and today, you can not carry ANY firearms on you in Canada unless you have a very good reason, or are a police.

You want to lose your rights, that is one thing, you can always sell your guns and join the anti gun crowd, your almost there already. But don't tell the rest of us what we can do.

Here is a Speedo for you, made for people who like you, do not believe you should show too much... Its a kick back to the 40's and 50's when woman wore ful lenght bathing suits.

[jahwarrior72]

However, I do think that within OC, there lies a danger that has the potential to be used against gun owners. I wonder how long OC would be allowed to exists if large groups of young urban men made a point of legally carrying OC. I'm guessing if you took a large number of Black and Latino men who were all OC and in full compliance with all laws, and had them start visiting local suburban shopping areas, restaurants, etc. there would be a major push to end OC. While I don't expect it to happen, it seems to me that if antis really wanted to attack OC, this would be an effective way to do it.

so, minorities shouldn't OC, because we're scarier than white folks who OC, and we're gonna ruin it for the rest of you?

LMAO!!!

i see your point though. because of me, Penn Security Bank is now posted against OC and CC. because of me, guys will be hassled at the Steamtown Mall. because of me, Redner's Warehouse Market is posted. because of me, LEOs will now be looking for people who carry in McDade Park.

yep, OC is perfectly legal, just don't do it if you're brown, because it scares whitey.

[Mike]

Remember when we make stupid choices i.e ‘’open carry ‘’ it affects us all by laws being created that will prevent us from being able to protect ourselves and our family!

Huh? All the real world evidence we have since the open carry movement started in 2004 to gain steam across the United States is that gun rights generally gains from the new knowledge and publicity about the scope of our rights. Ohio recently passed 100% preemption of open carry. Kanasas passed partial preemption for open carry (concealed permit holders in vehicles). ngeporgia expanded carry rights, including open carry, into restaurants, airports, and mass transit. This year Gov. Schwartzenagger vetoed a bill designed to ban loaded open carry in vehicles.

Even the conservative NRA recognizes the powerful engine that the open carry movement has become and publishes articles and does some interviews on cam Edwards re this subject.

"Open carry" is the constitutional rioght - not concealed carry, see Heller. Open carry compliments concealed carry in practice, unless you are under 21 then the only way you can carry in PA and most states is openly.

[natewal4430]

because of me, Redner's Warehouse Market is posted.

Redners?? Really?? Did you contact their upper management about that?