Palmetto State Armory Jakl

[bogey1]

Meh.

I put my suppressor on my 10.5 ar15, damn near made my ears bleed.

[Ronin]

I put my suppressor on my 10.5 ar15, damn near made my ears bleed.

I've never understood the appeal of putting a suppressor on a 5.56 gun, especially if you're not going to shoot subsonic rounds. Though I see nothing great about subsonic 5.56. Subsonic .300BLK beats it in nearly every metric.

[bogey1]

I've never understood the appeal of putting a suppressor on a 5.56 gun, especially if you're not going to shoot subsonic rounds. Though I see nothing great about subsonic 5.56. Subsonic .300BLK beats it in nearly every metric.

Works great on anything over 16". Other than that it's useless.

[raxar]

They do now have the 13.7 inch with a pinned and welded Jmac muzzle device. For a total of 16 inches. I*m on the fence of going with one of those.... or SBR*ing the 10.5 inch*.. life is hard!

A pinned and welded flash hider does exactly the same as a bare muzzle when it comes to increasing velocity.

[Ronin]

Works great on anything over 16". Other than that it's useless.

Still not hearing safe, so pointless regardless of the barrel length. And before anyone brings it up - just because your ears aren't ringing doesn't mean you're not damaging your hearing.

[1096369fred]

After 18 years in swat*. I would say it is not pointless*. If you touch off a 5.56 in the standard shitty 12x12ish trailer/apt room*.
Everyone on your stack without earpro will be deaf or bell rung*. Even a bad El Cheapo can, is a Huge plus in that environment*

[Ronin]

After 18 years in swat*. I would say it is not pointless*. If you touch off a 5.56 in the standard shitty 12x12ish trailer/apt room*.
Everyone on your stack without earpro will be deaf or bell rung*. Even a bad El Cheapo can, is a Hugh plus in that environment*

Your ears will be ringing if you fire off a suppressed 5.56 with supersonic ammo inside a house. It's still loud as fuck and can damage your hearing without earpro.

[1096369fred]

Yup*. No doubt*. But I would say* it is an *economy of scale*, I have fired short barreled M-4*s without earpro so many times*.
(Mostly by accident, forgetting earpro* not ND*s! ), that my favorite word is now *what?*. Giving the choice, I would rather *listen*, to a suppressed 5.56 even a shitty one, then one without*.

[bugout]

joining the fun...
i think this is exactly where 9mm & 45acp PCCs have a use/ value
they have acceptable ballistics inside 100yds (even better in that shitty 12x12 room/ trailer) and can be made hearing-safe w a suppressor and standard 45acp ammo or 147gr and up 9mm ammo

if you need to be quiet and/or are engaging indoors (like SD) or inside 50yds, PCC suppressed
if outside and it's longer shot, use the long-gun with ear-pro.
if you need both at the same time, then 300BLK suppressed with different ammo mags (?) - not sure, pricing of it seems prohibitive which would greatly limit regular training (which is most important).

i do submit that this ignores concerns about those being engaged wearing armor but... it's not a video game, cant carry 5 different loadouts around... and armor doesnt cover everything

get good with one and run it

[bogey1]

IDK, my neighbor served 5 years in blackwater, he says you really don't hear it when you are shooting.
Adrenalin takes over when you are in a life or death situation.