Surface area RE: Brace Ruling

[akley88]

I think they would need to switch over to a pistol tube. At least that is my interpretation.

it also sounds like it must be of a certain length. there are pistol tubes that are like 9" long.

[ray h]

I recall pre-braces, that carbine tubes were "no-nos" simply because they could readily accept a stock. It's why "pistol tubes" came to the market.

I remember it the other way, they didn't care about the tube until you put the stock on it. If what you remember is true then how have braces that use carbine tubes been legal up to this point? As long as braces have been a thing, carbine tubes have been legal on pistols.
Not looking for an argument, I get what you are saying, just pointing out the ATFs idiocy.
My AR pistol has a rail that will readily accept a VFG, my AR rifle lower will readily accept an AR pistol upper, neither of those things make it an SBR until they are actually mated together.

[cdi]

According to my ffl...

If it has a buffer tube, and needs a buffer tube, and has nothing else, it's ok. If it has a buffer tube, but does not need a buffet tube, it's not ok. If it has a buffer tube, needs a buffer tube, and has a fin/brace/stock, it's an sbr. A foam pad for your cheek is ok.

Which is all good except that your ffl has no more idea than the rest of us as far as what the landscape is going to look like going forward.
The aft management has demonstrated time and again that their opinions are subject to change. This latest ar pistol brace fuckery is yet another example.
The only thing I feel sure of is if you’re a target, nothing is going to rescue you from federal court and having to fight the convoluted legal reasoning applied.

As Gunlawyer pointed out, federal conviction rate is unsurvivable.

[streaker69]

What if I have a carbine tube on a shelf in my safe above and slightly to the side of my AR pistol?

[eyecanshoot]

What if I have a carbine tube on a shelf in my safe above and slightly to the side of my AR pistol?

It depends on if your wrench is stored in a separate location. Just kidding.

Anyone who owns a pistol and a rifle have the right parts to commit a crime. Sometimes the government will just have trust that we won't do the wrong thing.

[ExFlyinguy]

I remember it the other way, they didn't care about the tube until you put the stock on it. If what you remember is true then how have braces that use carbine tubes been legal up to this point? As long as braces have been a thing, carbine tubes have been legal on pistols.
Not looking for an argument, I get what you are saying, just pointing out the ATFs idiocy.
My AR pistol has a rail that will readily accept a VFG, my AR rifle lower will readily accept an AR pistol upper, neither of those things make it an SBR until they are actually mated together.

It looks like you are correct & that I fell victim to the urban myth of constructive possession.....

[streaker69]

It depends on if your wrench is stored in a separate location. Just kidding.

Anyone who owns a pistol and a rifle have the right parts to commit a crime. Sometimes the government will just have trust that we won't do the wrong thing.

Oh sure, like you haven't gone into the deepest part of your basement and swapped your pistol upper on your rifle lower just to see what it looked like.

[Pag23]

I have seen the Extar EP9 which is pistol caliber and going on their website, taking the brace off and getting rid of it, will have the pistol conform to the ATF ruling. but as others have echoed... does that really conform?

https://extarusa.com/blog/regarding-...rule-2021r08f/

[EFK]

I think the ATF should conform to a pistol buffer tube up their collective asses. Frankly it may improve their brain and explanatory functions since apparently all they DO is talk out of their ass.

[JaySmith]

I think the ATF should conform to a pistol buffer tube up their collective asses. Frankly it may improve their brain and explanatory functions since apparently all they DO is talk out of their ass.

I would prefer it still have the brace on it prior to it being shoved up their asses.