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    This is from 2017, so something may have changes since then...
    Quote Originally Posted by GunLawyer001 View Post
    You have a duty to provide proof of licensure upon lawful demand, if you're carrying concealed or in a vehicle. I don't think the courts have defined "lawful demand".

    Generally, I don't think you have any legal requirement to say a word in most encounters. Sometimes you have to identify yourself verbally, sometimes you have to provide something substantial in the way of ID. But the 5th Amendment usually allows you to decline the conversation without being charged with obstruction or anything. That doesn't mean the cop won't get peeved and cobble together something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaySmith View Post
    But there's one question that I've had with police more than once. "Do you have anything on your person or in your car that can hurt me?"
    That's a loaded question. Even if I'm not armed with a knife or gun, there are many things in my car and on my person that can hurt someone. I am almost never in a position where I'm truly unarmed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin View Post
    That's a loaded question. Even if I'm not armed with a knife or gun, there are many things in my car and on my person that can hurt someone. I am almost never in a position where I'm truly unarmed.
    Exactly right. I mean theoretically you can strangle him with your belt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin View Post
    That's a loaded question. Even if I'm not armed with a knife or gun, there are many things in my car and on my person that can hurt someone. I am almost never in a position where I'm truly unarmed.
    Yes, that's what I thought at first, but I have heard the exact question multiple times. So it got me thinking maybe it's standard. There's a lot of things that can hurt him, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaySmith View Post
    Under the duty to inform laws, if they ask, you have to answer yes.
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    https://www.usacarry.com/duty-to-inform-laws/

    If asked, you must answer. Unless you know something different.
    No, wing leader, you have it all wrong. IANAL PA is not a duty to inform state but OH is. And your duty does not begin if or when they ask, it begins when your conversation starts. It should be the first thing to come out of your mouth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walleye Hunter View Post
    No, wing leader, you have it all wrong. IANAL PA is not a duty to inform state but OH is. And your duty does not begin if or when they ask, it begins when your conversation starts. It should be the first thing to come out of your mouth.
    Negative Ghostrider. Ohio SB215 eliminated that requirement last summer.

    Citizens will no longer have the duty to "promptly" notify every law enforcement officer during an official stop. Instead, the person must disclose that they are carrying a concealed handgun only after an officer asks.
    Wing Leader, don't listen to Ghostrider - he's too busy eating chicken wings to keep up with the law.

    https://www.newsweek.com/ohio-become...permit-1687963

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaySmith View Post
    Under the duty to inform laws, if they ask, you have to answer yes.
    Assuming Pa. no, you do not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walleye Hunter View Post
    a duty to inform state but OH is.
    FYI Ohio changed and is no longer a must immediately inform state.
    However from my understanding if your asked you must inform.
    https://handgunlaw.us/states/ohio.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaySmith View Post
    Under the duty to inform laws, if they ask, you have to answer yes.
    Quote Originally Posted by JaySmith View Post
    https://www.usacarry.com/duty-to-inform-laws/

    If asked, you must answer. Unless you know something different.
    Quote Originally Posted by cephas View Post
    FYI Ohio changed and is no longer a must immediately inform state.
    However from my understanding if your asked you must inform.
    https://handgunlaw.us/states/ohio.pdf
    Thanks, Mr free has already wised me up. I can't keep up with these ever-changing regulations.
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    "Do you have anything on your person or in your car that can hurt me?"
    A very worthwhile question, because even the nastiest killer will answer truthfully. Proven fact!
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