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January 20th, 2023, 10:55 AM #391Super Member
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January 20th, 2023, 11:05 AM #392
Re: ATF Just Dropped Their Brace Ruling
Are we clear on if this would actually fly now? From my readying anything with a buffer tube at all and certainly anything with a tube+extra material of some kind is now an SBR since they specifically give no guidance on the amount of "surface area" that would get your dog shot.
F*#K THE ATF
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January 20th, 2023, 11:05 AM #393
Re: ATF Just Dropped Their Brace Ruling
Someone posted up thread a "buffered" BCG that doesn't require the buffer tube. So the tube can be removed and you'd just need a plug. It should be able to still use the CMMG .22lr bolt as well as this buffered bcg which sells for almost $400. That should keep me legal in the aspect of nothing with surface area that could be shouldered, like the standard pistol buffer tube, even though no one in their right mind would actually shoulder that an fire a mag.
Rules are written in the stone,
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January 20th, 2023, 11:15 AM #394
Re: ATF Just Dropped Their Brace Ruling
If you are converting to .22lr I believe that you are correct, in that the cmmg does not require the tube, as it is blow back only. I run it in my Ruger SR556 and turn the gas block completely off. But that's a big $ investment to convert as opposed to just running a pistol tube. I am still a bit concerned about their wording but I think I'm just over analyzing it. I'd like to believe that a pistol tube, would keep an AR as legal as an AK?
Somebody was kind enough to respond to my earlier comment's, I will see if I can find that post and copy it.
Found it:
"It seems that the Constitution is more or less guidelines than actual rules"
My feedback: http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=305685
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January 20th, 2023, 11:19 AM #395
Re: ATF Just Dropped Their Brace Ruling
If that is true, then there is no legal way to comply without registering it with the ATF. That's not what I have been hearing. There's 10-40M of these out there. If you can't legally change it to not be an SBR, the ATF will be spending a lot of time confiscating them since I don't think all of them will be registered.
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January 20th, 2023, 11:23 AM #396
Re: ATF Just Dropped Their Brace Ruling
For now, I'll keep the CMMG bolt in with the tube removed and blocked. As I said, a bolt is made that can fire .556 without the need of a buffer tube, the BCG provides the buffering. But the plug is still needed regardless. I'm just covering my bases without registering.
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January 20th, 2023, 11:49 AM #397
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January 20th, 2023, 11:59 AM #398Senior Member
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Re: ATF Just Dropped Their Brace Ruling
If you aren't familiar with the solvent trap issue research it. That's exactly what they did with those already. More and more people got onto buying solvent traps then filing a form 1 which typically took 30-60 days to get approved. Once approved you could then have it engraved and drill it out to make it a suppressor.
The ATF then decided that solvent traps aren't actually solvent traps, they're now suppressors and those supplying the solvent trap kits must now be licensed manufactures and sell them as if they're already a suppressor. After they made that determination all these solvent trap companies stopped selling parts because they were now classified as suppressor parts.
If you had already bought those parts you couldn't actually use them to get an approved Form 1 because the ATF was now considering that material already a suppressor. The ATF has ruled that the pistol braced AR's are SBR's, I really don't see how the logic is any different.
If you watch the GnG video someone else posted it's explained there too. Not a fan of their channel but at least they got right to the point and not 3 minutes of ads on a 4 minute video.
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January 20th, 2023, 12:17 PM #399Grand Member
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January 20th, 2023, 12:26 PM #400Grand Member
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Re: ATF Just Released Their Brace Ruling
Alphabet agency be like 🦁
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