ATF Just Released Their Brace Ruling

**GOYABEAN** · January 17th, 2023, 10:48 AM

Everyone has a comment on this alphabet soup¿

**GOYABEAN** · January 17th, 2023, 10:50 AM

**Ronin** · January 17th, 2023, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by rev214

I guess a keltec sub 2000 falls under this bullshit as well?

How do you figure?

**GOYABEAN** · January 17th, 2023, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Ronin

How do you figure?

That's if the length of closed bolt to end of barrel is under 16 inches?

**widgetman101** · January 17th, 2023, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by ExFlyinguy

I respect EM's line in the sand.

That being said. I have a factory built, store bought AR pistol that has a paper trail of a 4473 and a SP4-113 record of sale already in the database.

I threw an original SB brace on it & I think that damn thing cost me north of $150 at the time. Ok, so like my bumpstock, the ATF said "yeah these are totally legal" and then you spend some serious coin to buy them and then the ATF says "now, they are illegal, so sorry". "Oh and by the way we put a little blurb in our final rule that now may make buffer tubes=stocks, so even without a brace you may still have an SBR."

So yeah, if I can recoup some expense, by the "non-collection" of a $200 tax stamp for a SBR that's already on everybody's radar...go ahead and hate me because I'm going to do it. The alternative I fear is to wait for the ATF to drag out clarification on what they mean by "surface area" on a buffer tube and by then the grace period will have expired.

I can understand your decision but why jump on it so quick? I also have a factory built AR Pistol with a paper trail and I'm not jumping on anything. We just took over the house and have 4 months to even consider submitting the paperwork if a lawsuit doesn't halt this in their tracks.

Imagine being the ATF seeing all the good boys submitting their AR Pistols to register as a SBR as soon as they make this "rule" live. Last I heard there were an estimate of at least 6 million pistols that would now fall under their SBR definition, imagine if they got ZERO applications - That sends a pretty clear message, not here is my app thanks for the "free" stamp.

**Ronin** · January 17th, 2023, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by GOYABEAN

That's if the length of closed bolt to end of barrel is under 16 inches?

The barrel on the Sub2k is 16.25"

**GOYABEAN** · January 17th, 2023, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Ronin

The barrel on the Sub2k is 16.25"

Then it shouldn't be a problem well at least until they change their opinion on rifles next ⏳

**R L Suehr** · January 17th, 2023, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by akley88

so lets just say this stands for now and this rule goes into effect and maybe a couple thousand to maybe tens of thousands of people submit the paperwork to register. is the ATF going to suddenly change the approval process and timeline? will you be allowed to use and possess this unregistered item while the ATF takes their time? the current wait time is what 8 months, what happens if thousands more apps get dumped into this process? then what happens to your app if this gets legally turned over after you have submitted your paper work but not yet been approved.

It would be even worse. If 10% of people who own them registered, it would be applications in the 100k- millions. The AFT wouldn't be able to process that in the next 100 years.