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    eForms Outage

    The ATF eForms system is unavailable at the present time. We anticipate this outage will be short lived and the system will be available again soon. Please try again at a later time. We apologize for the inconvenience.


    https://eforms.atf.gov/

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    Default Re: ATF Just Released Their Brace Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by ShadeRabbit View Post
    eForms Outage

    The ATF eForms system is unavailable at the present time. We anticipate this outage will be short lived and the system will be available again soon. Please try again at a later time. We apologize for the inconvenience.


    https://eforms.atf.gov/
    try this: https://eforms-form1.atf.gov/home
    "It seems that the Constitution is more or less guidelines than actual rules"
    My feedback: http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=305685

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    I was bored and skimming this thing again. Anyone else find the last sentence of this section interesting?


    PAGE 210

    Furthermore, this rule also provides options for individuals who are in possession
    of a firearm equipped with a *stabilizing brace* that is an unregistered short-barreled
    rifle, as that statutory term is properly understood. The options for current unlicensed
    possessors include the removal and replacement of the offending feature (the barrel less
    than 16 inches); submission of an ATF E-Form 1 by [INSERT DATE 120 DAYS
    AFTER DATE OF PUBLICATION IN THE FEDERAL REGISTER], to register the
    firearm as a short-barreled rifle; removal of the *stabilizing brace* so that it cannot be
    reattached to the firearm; turning the firearm into a local ATF office; or destroying the
    firearm. For a detailed discussion of the options available for individuals to comply with
    the statute, see section V.B of this preamble. In an exercise of the Department*s
    enforcement discretion, it has determined that any criminal liability for failure to take the
    necessary action to comply with Federal law for weapons that have already been made
    will result only for conduct occurring after the time period to register ends. Additionally,
    in lieu of criminal prosecution, the Department may, for conduct occurring after the 120-
    day period, pursue forfeiture of the firearm pursuant to 26 U.S.C. 5872.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExFlyinguy View Post
    Allegedly tomorrow 01/31



    Im just gonna leave this here…i didnt watch the video, guess which monkey i am?

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    Default Re: ATF Just Released Their Brace Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by ShadeRabbit View Post
    I was bored and skimming this thing again. Anyone else find the last sentence of this section interesting?


    PAGE 210

    Furthermore, this rule also provides options for individuals who are in possession
    of a firearm equipped with a *stabilizing brace* that is an unregistered short-barreled
    rifle, as that statutory term is properly understood. The options for current unlicensed
    possessors include the removal and replacement of the offending feature (the barrel less
    than 16 inches); submission of an ATF E-Form 1 by [INSERT DATE 120 DAYS
    AFTER DATE OF PUBLICATION IN THE FEDERAL REGISTER], to register the
    firearm as a short-barreled rifle; removal of the *stabilizing brace* so that it cannot be
    reattached to the firearm; turning the firearm into a local ATF office; or destroying the
    firearm. For a detailed discussion of the options available for individuals to comply with
    the statute, see section V.B of this preamble. In an exercise of the Department*s
    enforcement discretion, it has determined that any criminal liability for failure to take the
    necessary action to comply with Federal law for weapons that have already been made
    will result only for conduct occurring after the time period to register ends. Additionally,
    in lieu of criminal prosecution, the Department may, for conduct occurring after the 120-
    day period, pursue forfeiture of the firearm pursuant to 26 U.S.C. 5872.
    Not really. The ATF has taken this approach for some time with denials, so it makes sense that it would be on the table here as well. Of course, they may do both also.

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    not digging through the pages, got an email from the register, it was published.
    scrolled through, they spend paragraph after paragraph explaining and attacking comments and constitutional arguments.
    did a search and no one addressed miller, guess it is considered superceded.
    they do state that it isnt a violation of rights because heller defined specific weapon types and a short barrel rifle has no purpose outside of war <not in those words> as such its not protected.
    but it just goes on and on for pages addressing comments with "department response"
    There is no way to make it out alive...

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    Default Re: ATF Just Released Their Brace Ruling

    No new laws today.
    No new constitutional amendments today.
    Si vis pacem, para bellum
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    What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms!

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    Default Re: ATF Just Released Their Brace Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Gixxer View Post
    No new laws today.
    No new constitutional amendments today.
    yup none as far as I can see either noting went through congress. Guess it's lawsuit time.

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    Si vis pacem, para bellum
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    What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms!

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