ATF Just Released Their Brace Ruling

[Emptymag]

Gotcha, I thought you were taking it the direction of don*t comply don*t give in and keep the pistol the way it is. My mistake.

Nope. I have never suggested breaking the law.

My stance is this - wait it out to see what all shakes out.
If you have put all your efforts into building a single gun that is equipped with a brace, well that's your own dumb fault.
Who didn't see this coming? I did.

[GOYABEAN]

Nope. I have never suggested breaking the law.

My stance is this - wait it out to see what all shakes out.
If you have put all your efforts into building a single gun that is equipped with a brace, well that's your own dumb fault.
Who didn't see this coming? I did.

It's kind of toss of a coin putting your trust in a government agency that puts people thru the ringer because of a drawing that they rule is a machine gun. Things that make you Hmmm

[JaySmith]

27. ONCE THE FIREARM IS REGISTERED, AM I REQUIRED TO MARK THE FIREARM SINCE I MANUFACTURED
A SHORT-BARRELED RIFLE (SBR)?
* If the SBR equipped with a *stabilizing brace* is registered within the 120-day tax forbearance
period, the possessor is allowed to adopt the markings on the firearm.

Forbearance means temporary. I'm pretty sure the atf doesn't have the authority to hand out free stamps. For all we know they suspend the tax payment until they hand out their stamps, then start kicking down doors demanding people pay up. Do you trust the atf enough to be confident that won't happen?

Jail time? Non-compliance?

Take the brace off. Done.

How hard is that?

Except there's a problem. The verbiage says anything providing surface area to be able to be shouldered, including stock, brace, or buffer tube. Which would render anything under 16" with a buffer tube a sbr. So just taking the brace off isn't going to be good enough.

[ExFlyinguy]

I respect EM's line in the sand.

That being said. I have a factory built, store bought AR pistol that has a paper trail of a 4473 and a SP4-113 record of sale already in the database.

I threw an original SB brace on it & I think that damn thing cost me north of $150 at the time. Ok, so like my bumpstock, the ATF said "yeah these are totally legal" and then you spend some serious coin to buy them and then the ATF says "now, they are illegal, so sorry". "Oh and by the way we put a little blurb in our final rule that now may make buffer tubes=stocks, so even without a brace you may still have an SBR."

So yeah, if I can recoup some expense, by the "non-collection" of a $200 tax stamp for a SBR that's already on everybody's radar...go ahead and hate me because I'm going to do it. The alternative I fear is to wait for the ATF to drag out clarification on what they mean by "surface area" on a buffer tube and by then the grace period will have expired.

[Walleye Hunter]

I respect EM's line in the sand.

That being said. I have a factory built, store bought AR pistol that has a paper trail of a 4473 and a SP4-113 record of sale already in the database.

I threw an original SB brace on it & I think that damn thing cost me north of $150 at the time. Ok, so like my bumpstock, the ATF said "yeah these are totally legal" and then you spend some serious coin to buy them and then the ATF says "now, they are illegal, so sorry". "Oh and by the way we put a little blurb in our final rule that now may make buffer tubes=stocks, so even without a brace you may still have an SBR."

So yeah, if I can recoup some expense, by the "non-collection" of a $200 tax stamp for a SBR that's already on everybody's radar...go ahead and hate me because I'm going to do it. The alternative I fear is to wait for the ATF to drag out clarification on what they mean by "surface area" on a buffer tube and by then the grace period will have expired.

I definitely see a difference between something that's already on record vs something that is not.

[Mr_Gixxer]

Nope. I have never suggested breaking the law.

My stance is this - wait it out to see what all shakes out.
If you have put all your efforts into building a single gun that is equipped with a brace, well that's your own dumb fault.
Who didn't see this coming? I did.

So what you're saying is you are going to start complying now? Because what THEY are saying is that you've been breaking the law all this time and you'll be forgiven if you play by their new rules. You saw this coming and still decided to make illegal SBR's?

[Emptymag]

So what you're saying is you are going to start complying now? Because what THEY are saying is that you've been breaking the law all this time and you'll be forgiven if you play by their new rules. You saw this coming and still decided to make illegal SBR's?

LOL
I've been "complying" all along.

When I first bought a brace, the stamp tax guys were mocking people for doing so because they didn't like the fact that THEY paid $200 while other people just bought a piece of plastic and were legal, while owning essentially the same type of gun.
"Why not just get a stamp and put a real stock on it???"
A: Because I don't want to
Q: What happens when they ban those things?
A: I'll take it off.
Q: Well... well... ummmm...


I don't know what to tell anyone who didn't see this coming.
All along, I built my pistols small for this very reason - I didn't want to wake up one day and have 14" barreled pistol with all sorts of tricked out military-style gadgets, weighing as much as a rifle, and have nothing but a round pistol buffer tube on it. That would suck ass.
And I suspect that's were most people are with this right now.

[EFK]

People sure do love their gadgets.

Sorry, carry on...

[arjohnson]

Saw it coming when it first started with the you can shoulder, you can*t shoulder bs. Then all the collapsible braces coming out, knew it was only a matter of time.

[Emptymag]

I remember a time when you HAD to have a PISTOL buffer tube on pistols - something that would not physically allow the addition of a stock.

I never could figure out how/when that "changed", but once all the "approved", adjustable braces that used standard carbine buffer tubes came out, it really started the ball rolling to where we are now.

I have to wonder - did the guy who approved these things get fired, or was he in on the plan all along, because it really does seem like they did all of this intentionally, knowing that in just a few short years, they could cast a HUGE net, and... (insert their end goal here)