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    Pa. Court: Ballots in Undated Envelopes Won't Count
    Tuesday, 01 November 2022 06:54 PM EDT
    https://www.newsmax.com/politics/ele...01/id/1094445/

    Pennsylvania officials cannot count votes from mail-in or absentee ballots that lack accurate, handwritten dates on their return envelopes, the state Supreme Court ruled unanimously Tuesday, a week before tabulation will begin in races for governor, the U.S. Senate and the state Legislature.

    The court directed county boards of elections to "segregate and preserve" those ballots.

    The justices split 3-3 on whether making the envelope dates mandatory under state law would violate provisions of the U.S. Civil Rights Act of 1964, which states that immaterial errors or omissions should not be used to prevent voting.

    Written opinions laying out the court's reasoning were not immediately available.

    State and national Republican Party organizations and several GOP voters sought immediate review by the Supreme Court, bypassing lower courts, once it became clear some county officials planned to throw out ballots without the proper dates and others were expected to count them. The individual voters were dismissed from the case by the high court's order.

    Ronna McDaniel, head of the Republican National Committee, called it a "massive" win for election integrity. "Republicans went to court. Now Democrats have to follow the law," she tweeted.

    The Republican National Committee, the National Republican Congressional Committee and the state party sued Secretary of State Leigh Chapman and election boards in every county. Beth Rementer, press secretary for Democratic Gov. Tom Wolf, said the decision was under review but showed it was important "that voters should carefully follow all instructions on the ballot and double check before sending."

    Pennsylvania counties have reported receiving more than 850,000 completed mail-in ballots from the roughly 1.4 million that voters have requested. About 70% of requests have come from Democrats and about 20% from Republicans.

    The total number of the undated envelope ballots is likely small but may be enough to determine the winner of a close race. In the 2020 presidential election, Philadelphia reported receiving almost 381,000 mail ballots. Among them were about 8,300 undated ballots.

    Officials in various counties have said they were already putting ballots without dates on the return envelopes into separate piles in anticipation of a court ruling. Some counties may try to notify voters that their ballots are missing the dates, providing those voters the ability to visit their election offices to fix them.

    On the issue of the federal civil rights law, Democratic Justices Debra Todd, Christine Donohue and David Wecht saw a violation of federal law, while Democrat Kevin Dougherty and Republicans Kevin Brobson and Sallie Mundy did not.

    The status of ballots without properly dated envelopes has been repeatedly litigated since the use of mail-in voting was greatly expanded in Pennsylvania under a state law passed in 2019.

    Last week, Department of State officials under Wolf argued in a brief that state law between 1945 and 1968 directed county election boards to set aside mail-in ballots when the envelope date was later than the date of the election.

    But a 1968 change in state law, they said, deleted from a section of the Election Code "the requirement that counties set aside ballots based on the date appearing on the ballot-return envelope."

    The dates are not used to verify whether ballots are received in time to count on Election Day; that happens when counties time-stamp them upon arrival. There has been evidence that at least some Pennsylvania counties have deemed any date to be acceptable, even dates in the future.

    Republican litigants had urged the justices to rule based on the language of state law, that voters "'shall ... fill out, date and sign the declaration' printed on the outer envelope of the ballot." As an alterative, they asked the justices to have ballots from undated or improperly dated return envelopes segregated.

    The 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in May that the dates aren't mandatory, but recently the U.S. Supreme Court deemed that decision moot, leading to the current litigation.
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    "In the 2020 presidential election, Philadelphia reported receiving almost 381,000 mail ballots. Among them were about 8,300 undated ballots."

    That's still a lot of potential FUDGING of the election laws... Multiply that across the state... Along with other FUDGES of the law... And, pretty soon, you have an election win!

    That's a rate of 2% --- which is a higher RISK than getting the latest coronavirus.
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    Default Re: Pa. Supreme Court: Ballots in Undated Envelopes Won't Count

    Quote Originally Posted by ImminentDanger View Post
    Pa. Court: Ballots in Undated Envelopes Won't Count
    Tuesday, 01 November 2022 06:54 PM EDT
    https://www.newsmax.com/politics/ele...01/id/1094445/


    (BOLD/UNDERLINE ADDED)

    "In the 2020 presidential election, Philadelphia reported receiving almost 381,000 mail ballots. Among them were about 8,300 undated ballots."

    That's still a lot of potential FUDGING of the election laws... Multiply that across the state... Along with other FUDGES of the law... And, pretty soon, you have an election win...

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    That just means the Dim election judges will date them as they come in..
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    Quote Originally Posted by 85MikeTPI View Post
    That just means the Dim election judges will date them as they come in..
    They already said they were going to ignore the ruling. There's a thread or posts about it somewhere on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DK23 View Post
    They already said they were going to ignore the ruling. There's a thread or posts about it somewhere on here.
    But the previous USSC ruling simply made moot the ruling by the Fed 3rd that the dates "aren't mandatory". This ruling by the PASC specifically says they are mandatory.

    Here's the posted PASC ruling:
    https://www.pacourts.us/assets/opini...4202667240.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImminentDanger View Post
    But the previous USSC ruling simply made moot the ruling by the Fed 3rd that the dates "aren't mandatory". This ruling by the PASC specifically says they are mandatory.

    Here's the posted PASC ruling:
    https://www.pacourts.us/assets/opini...4202667240.pdf

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    This is what was posted before: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pen...e-court-ruling

    Maybe I am confusing the USSC and PASC rulings.

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    All it means is that the undated ballots are going to be set aside - not tossed - until another court ruling contorts the law enough to render them valid. What it means in the practical sense is that once again in PA, we are going to have a month-long election.
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    Scotus and PA Scotus both ruled on ruling out undated envelopes. The PA Secretary of State Bockvar said she will not obey those rulings because she's a democrat and doesn't have to obey any ruling she doesn't like. Another insane effing leftist that should be tarred and feathered and run out of town.

    We now live in an era which future generations will refer to as *the Great Deception*

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    Quote Originally Posted by JenniferG View Post
    Scotus and PA Scotus both ruled on ruling out undated envelopes. The PA Secretary of State Bockvar said she will not obey those rulings because she's a democrat and doesn't have to obey any ruling she doesn't like. Another insane effing leftist that should be tarred and feathered and run out of town.

    She resigned in Feb 2021 after the Amendment fiasco

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    The acting Secretary of State Leigh M Chapman. She answers to the same description above and the remedy still remains clear.

    We now live in an era which future generations will refer to as *the Great Deception*

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    Default Re: Pa. Supreme Court: Ballots in Undated Envelopes Won't Count

    There is a very simple fix for all this BS. Require a valid ID & vote in person.

    There are a few perfectly valid reasons for a voter to need mail in/absentee ballots, but being too fucking lazy to go to your local polling place once every two or four years sure as hell isn't one of them.
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