Belaboring the obvious HB 2793

[Brick]

Probably a vast majority of us already know better than to mix guns and alcohol without the need for this:

Regular Session 2021-2022
House Bill 2793
Short Title: An Act amending Title 18 (Crimes and Offenses) of the Pennsylvania Consolidated Statutes, in firearms and other dangerous articles, providing for the offense of carrying firearms while under the influence of alcohol.
Prime Sponsor: Representative HOWARD
Last Action: Referred to JUDICIARY, Sept. 1, 2022 [House]
Memo: https://www.legis.state.pa.us//cfdoc...cosponId=37626
https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs...793Prohibiting Concealed Carry While Intoxicated

[gnbrotz]

Probably a vast majority of us already know better than to mix guns and alcohol without the need for this:

I completely disagree with "don't mix guns and alcohol".

Yes, alcohol *may* affect your judgement (and aim), but merely carrying a gun while intoxicated should NOT be a crime.

Further, you do not lose your right to self-defense when under the influence of alcohol, illicit drugs, or even potentially mind-altering Rx medications. It's absolutely possible to still have a situation where one's life it truly at risk, and if one uses force to defend themselves appropriately, that should not automatically be canceled out because of the presence of some chemical in one's system.

Again, not recommending it, but criminalizing it is an absolute no-go for me. There are plenty of laws already regulating "bad behavior" that apply whether either guns or alcohol in included in a given scenario. How about just enforcing those?

[Capt]

I have to agree. It's just another attempt at controling what you do. Just erroding your rights Bill

[imashooter2]

I completely disagree with "don't mix guns and alcohol".

Yes, alcohol *may* affect your judgement (and aim), but merely carrying a gun while intoxicated should NOT be a crime.

Further, you do not lose your right to self-defense when under the influence of alcohol, illicit drugs, or even potentially mind-altering Rx medications. It's absolutely possible to still have a situation where one's life it truly at risk, and if one uses force to defend themselves appropriately, that should not automatically be canceled out because of the presence of some chemical in one's system.

Again, not recommending it, but criminalizing it is an absolute no-go for me. There are plenty of laws already regulating "bad behavior" that apply whether either guns or alcohol in included in a given scenario. How about just enforcing those?

And let the people say AMEN!

[EFK]

I'm actually overjoyed to see a bill like this proposed. After all, if my omnipotent overlords don't boot down on my neck periodically to tell me how to live, how is that living? Worker ants don't go their own way; worker bees don't go their own way; mice try to go their own way but thank god we have cats to deal with those rebellious pricks.

Just the other day I was busy snorting nose clams and toking on some meth all at the same time when I realized that some steel shooting might be a blast. Fortunately, I decided that carrying and fiddling with a firearm in this situation might be ill-advised, so I ultimately ended up driving it off for a while.

[eagleclaw]

I read the text of the bill. To my knowledge there is no such thing as a suspension of one's LTCF. If the sheriff decides you shouldn't have it it's revoked. This bill doesn't include a definition for it's suspension of a LTCF. It assumes it already exist just like a driver license suspension/revocation process, which it doesn't.

Secondly why doesn't this bill include police officers and those exempt from a LTCF?

[DukeConnor]

I drive and shoot better when I'm drinking. 🙂

[RockIsland]

I drive and shoot better when I'm drinking. *

I bowl better.

[Mr_Gixxer]

Get fucked. Maybe they should restrict other fundamental rights when you have a beer too.

[Walleye Hunter]

What they should do is outlaw driving while intoxicated. That would save a lot of lives.