Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 17
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Apolacon Township, Pennsylvania
    (Susquehanna County)
    Age
    76
    Posts
    5,620
    Rep Power
    20045834

    Thumbs down Belaboring the obvious HB 2793

    Probably a vast majority of us already know better than to mix guns and alcohol without the need for this:

    Regular Session 2021-2022
    House Bill 2793
    Short Title: An Act amending Title 18 (Crimes and Offenses) of the Pennsylvania Consolidated Statutes, in firearms and other dangerous articles, providing for the offense of carrying firearms while under the influence of alcohol.
    Prime Sponsor: Representative HOWARD
    Last Action: Referred to JUDICIARY, Sept. 1, 2022 [House]
    Memo: https://www.legis.state.pa.us//cfdoc...cosponId=37626
    https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs...793Prohibiting Concealed Carry While Intoxicated


    "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities".

  2. #2
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Chambersburg, Pennsylvania
    (Franklin County)
    Age
    51
    Posts
    11,755
    Rep Power
    21474863

    Default Re: Belaboring the obvious HB 2793

    Quote Originally Posted by Brick View Post
    Probably a vast majority of us already know better than to mix guns and alcohol without the need for this:
    I completely disagree with "don't mix guns and alcohol".

    Yes, alcohol *may* affect your judgement (and aim), but merely carrying a gun while intoxicated should NOT be a crime.

    Further, you do not lose your right to self-defense when under the influence of alcohol, illicit drugs, or even potentially mind-altering Rx medications. It's absolutely possible to still have a situation where one's life it truly at risk, and if one uses force to defend themselves appropriately, that should not automatically be canceled out because of the presence of some chemical in one's system.

    Again, not recommending it, but criminalizing it is an absolute no-go for me. There are plenty of laws already regulating "bad behavior" that apply whether either guns or alcohol in included in a given scenario. How about just enforcing those?
    Get your "Guns Save Lives" stickers today! PM for more info.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Oct 2019
    Location
    Norristown, Pennsylvania
    (Montgomery County)
    Posts
    15
    Rep Power
    0

    Default Re: Belaboring the obvious HB 2793

    I have to agree. It's just another attempt at controling what you do. Just erroding your rights Bill

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
    (Allegheny County)
    Posts
    1,386
    Rep Power
    21474844

    Default Re: Belaboring the obvious HB 2793

    I drive and shoot better when I'm drinking. 🙂

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Quakertown, Pennsylvania
    (Bucks County)
    Posts
    5,330
    Rep Power
    21474855

    Default Re: Belaboring the obvious HB 2793

    Quote Originally Posted by DukeConnor View Post
    I drive and shoot better when I'm drinking. *
    I bowl better.
    Accuse your enemy of what you are doing as you are doing it to create confusion -Karl Marx

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Mill Hall, Pennsylvania
    (Clinton County)
    Age
    35
    Posts
    2,034
    Rep Power
    21474851

    Default Re: Belaboring the obvious HB 2793

    Get fucked. Maybe they should restrict other fundamental rights when you have a beer too.
    Si vis pacem, para bellum
    μολ ν λαβέ
    What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms!

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    Douglassville, Pennsylvania
    (Berks County)
    Posts
    9,375
    Rep Power
    21474855

    Default Re: Belaboring the obvious HB 2793

    What they should do is outlaw driving while intoxicated. That would save a lot of lives.
    If we don't get Oz, we get stuck with Fetterman.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    next to my neighbor, Pennsylvania
    Posts
    12,153
    Rep Power
    21474864

    Default Re: Belaboring the obvious HB 2793

    I will still carry when drinking. You cant take someones rights away from them because they drink
    a legal beverage.
    FJB

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania
    (Dauphin County)
    Posts
    2,058
    Rep Power
    21474852

    Default Re: Belaboring the obvious HB 2793

    Quote Originally Posted by Brick View Post
    Probably a vast majority of us already know better than to mix guns and alcohol without the need for this:
    I didn't read the bill, but I'll bet the penalty is a prohibitor.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Folsom, Pennsylvania
    (Delaware County)
    Posts
    1,966
    Rep Power
    21474853

    Default Re: Belaboring the obvious HB 2793

    Quote Originally Posted by gnbrotz View Post
    I completely disagree with "don't mix guns and alcohol".

    Yes, alcohol *may* affect your judgement (and aim), but merely carrying a gun while intoxicated should NOT be a crime.

    Further, you do not lose your right to self-defense when under the influence of alcohol, illicit drugs, or even potentially mind-altering Rx medications. It's absolutely possible to still have a situation where one's life it truly at risk, and if one uses force to defend themselves appropriately, that should not automatically be canceled out because of the presence of some chemical in one's system.

    Again, not recommending it, but criminalizing it is an absolute no-go for me. There are plenty of laws already regulating "bad behavior" that apply whether either guns or alcohol in included in a given scenario. How about just enforcing those?
    And let the people say AMEN!

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •