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    Default Re: Traveling to N.C. via Maryland, and VA.

    Quote Originally Posted by PickingPA View Post
    Failure to show your LTCF grants them the leeway to presume that you are not a valid LTCF holder and therefore unlawfully carrying a firearm... which tends to elevate their level of aggression and tactics of procedure.
    OK, we all know by now that our LTCF comes up when they run our driver's license. Can popo truly claim to presume non-licensure during a traffic stop? My attorney would be on that like white on rice in a glass of milk on a paper plate in a snowstorm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ROCK-IT3 View Post
    As to Maryland, yes. Unloaded, including magazines unloaded, and in a locked container (ammo can be in the same locked container, but not in the magazine), either in a trunk if available, or in an area not readily accessible, such as the back of an SUV, (not in the glove box or console).
    Is it in writing the magazines need to be unloaded? I was under the impression if they were stored in a separate container, with a flap, than the firearm it’s good to go. Is having the magazines unloaded just an extra precaution or do you feel it is legit the law?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bripro View Post
    Is it in writing the magazines need to be unloaded? I was under the impression if they were stored in a separate container, with a flap, than the firearm it*s good to go. Is having the magazines unloaded just an extra precaution or do you feel it is legit the law?
    I lived in MD for 43 years and this is accepted as fact that the mag has to be unloaded. I even had a range RSO threaten to call the cops on me for bringing a loaded mag into the range once. (Continental Arms in Timonium. This was not the only bad experience there. I cannot badmouth that place enough and never pass an opportunity to do so.)

    Now is it correct? And written in law?

    I have no idea. But it is so universally believed to be true that I am 100% certain you'd get arrested for it. You might beat the charge in court but I guarantee a cop would make the arrest thinking you had broken the law.

    (Assuming no valid MD wear and carry permit)

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    Default Re: Traveling to N.C. via Maryland, and VA.

    Quote Originally Posted by bripro View Post
    Is it in writing the magazines need to be unloaded? I was under the impression if they were stored in a separate container, with a flap, than the firearm it’s good to go. Is having the magazines unloaded just an extra precaution or do you feel it is legit the law?
    Go back and read through the rest of the posts. We discussed in detail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt.K View Post
    OK, we all know by now that our LTCF comes up when they run our driver's license. Can popo truly claim to presume non-licensure during a traffic stop? My attorney would be on that like white on rice in a glass of milk on a paper plate in a snowstorm...
    So be it. I’m just quoting the statute. Failure to produce a valid LTCF at arrest or trial results in the presumption that a valid LTCF does not exist.

    Their ability to look it up does not invalidate your obligation to present it for inspection when “legally requested”

    ETA: this does not state failure to produce at a traffic stop. But since one thing often leads to another…. Being found to be in possession of a concealed handgun and refusing to produce LTCF to prove legal concealment will likely lead to the arrest situation which triggers the requirement in the statute.
    Last edited by PickingPA; September 12th, 2022 at 02:10 PM.

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    Default Re: Traveling to N.C. via Maryland, and VA.

    Quote Originally Posted by ROCK-IT3 View Post
    Go back and read through the rest of the posts. We discussed in detail.
    From the links provided in the posts I*m coming up with it*s OK to leave your mags loaded as long as they*re in a separate compartment than the firearm. For example, pistol unloaded in a lockbox and loaded magazines zipped up in your baggage equals legal to transport.
    DDG-8 "Sine Timore"

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    Quote Originally Posted by bripro View Post
    From the links provided in the posts I*m coming up with it*s OK to leave your mags loaded as long as they*re in a separate compartment than the firearm. For example, pistol unloaded in a lockbox and loaded magazines zipped up in your baggage equals legal to transport.
    Working from memory, it has been 40 some years since I first was informed of this, Maryland considers a gun is loaded if a magazine is loaded, regardless of whether the magazine is in the gun or not.

    PA has the provision of being in a separate compartment.



    Rick

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    Default Re: Traveling to N.C. via Maryland, and VA.

    Quote Originally Posted by RLS View Post
    Working from memory, it has been 40 some years since I first was informed of this, Maryland considers a gun is loaded if a magazine is loaded, regardless of whether the magazine is in the gun or not.

    PA has the provision of being in a separate compartment.



    Rick
    MD AG said loaded magazines in a vehicle are legal circa 2010:

    https://handgunlaw.us/documents/agop...gInVehicle.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by gnbrotz View Post
    MD AG said loaded magazines in a vehicle are legal circa 2010:

    https://handgunlaw.us/documents/agop...gInVehicle.pdf
    Thank you!

    Nice to see actual facts posted instead of fear mongering false BS.

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    Default Re: Traveling to N.C. via Maryland, and VA.

    Quote Originally Posted by gnbrotz View Post
    MD AG said loaded magazines in a vehicle are legal circa 2010:

    https://handgunlaw.us/documents/agop...gInVehicle.pdf
    Quote Originally Posted by rwt1405 View Post
    Thank you!

    Nice to see actual facts posted instead of fear mongering false BS.
    Yeah....I'd be inclined to not depend on something a long out of office AD said 11 years ago.

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