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July 27th, 2022, 07:55 PM #31Super Member
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Re: ATF Agent takes pics of all log book pages
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July 27th, 2022, 08:07 PM #32Super Member
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Re: ATF Agent takes pics of all log book pages
yes the ATF has almost 1 billion firearm records in digital format, but its not a registry according to them. its supposedly isnt searchable by identifying information and can only be accessed when a law enforcement agency requests help.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...xt/9304431002/
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July 28th, 2022, 03:31 AM #33Super Member
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Re: ATF Agent takes pics of all log book pages
It is searchable by nearly all other fields except name. So if they take 10 seconds to search for the previous and current addresses of a person in any of the numerous public records databases that have all of that info, they can quickly pull up the 4473 for every gun ever purchased by that person that has been ingested into their database so far.
Of course, it's also searchable by firearm model too, so if they decide something you have should make you a felon, they'll be able to find them quickly.
The only thing stopping them from searching by name is a checkbox in the application that disables that field.
The GOA filed FOIAs and wrote an in-depth report about their registry available here: https://forms.gunowners.org/webform/..._gun_registry/
The entire registry is an unconstitutional infringement.Last edited by buckengr; July 28th, 2022 at 04:27 PM.
I am not a lawyer.
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July 28th, 2022, 10:31 AM #34
Re: ATF Agent takes pics of all log book pages
If that so called agent used her personal phone, while on duty, too take photos or to produce a digital image of the 4473 form, which in itself is an official record, then her personal phone CAN be seized for FOIA requests and for discovery in the event of a lawsuit / criminal proceedings.
Another thing. The 4473 form also contains PII, which in itself MUST be protected and CANNOT be stored on any device that is NOT authorized to process or store PII.
PII = Personally Identifiable Information. This includes name, date of birth, address, social security number, etc
In a nutshell, she created an official record with that first photo... IF she used an unauthorized device too record / store PII, then she violated federal law and can be charged for each offense. This means 1 charge for each 4473 form that she processed.Last edited by PASE717; July 28th, 2022 at 10:55 AM.
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July 28th, 2022, 12:38 PM #35
Re: ATF Agent takes pics of all log book pages
That's the same as saying the FBI doesn't keep records of NICS checks. Of course they do, there's no one that can hold them responsible for anything illegal that they do. Who's going to challenge them, Barney Fife or that lawyer scammer Lin Wood that made money off scamming contributors for Kyle Rittenhouse? There are groups that can report these illegal activities like Judicial Watch and some others but they are basically powerless against the FBI and DOJ.
Corruption is the default behavior of government officials. JPC
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August 2nd, 2022, 10:20 AM #36
Re: ATF Agent takes pics of all log book pages
I don't see the problem. The second amendment to our US Constitution protects our gun rights. Whatever Pam Scott was doing cannot supersede our rights. Oh, wait...
There are two kinds of guns. Those I have acquired, and those I hope to.
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