AR15 lower

[bogey1]

If I register as a pistol, can it be converted to a rifle?

[GOYABEAN]

I believe if its a virgin lower and is registered pistol first in the future you can turn into rifle but not the other way around.

[Emptymag]

Where the fuck are you guys registering guns at?

[Krichardson]

.. at the gun registry!

[buckengr]

If a lower receiver has never been assembled with all the parts necessary to make a complete functioning gun, it is neither a rifle nor a pistol (nor an SBR nor SBS nor AOW nor "other firearm"), but simply a title 1 receiver and should be marked as a receiver on the Form 4473 when transfered.

This is true even if purchasing a "complete" lower receiver with lower parts kit, buffer tube, and (optionally) a stock or brace pre-installed, provided it has never been assembled into a complete functional firearm capable of firing a shot. It should be perfectly legal to remove the stock from such a "complete lower" and install a pistol brace and pin on a short upper to create a pistol, if desired.

If the first complete firearm assembled and capable of firing a shot is a rifle, then it must remain a rifle, otherwise it requires an NFA tax to reconfigure it to what would otherwise be a pistol or "other firearm" (i.e. "weapon made from a rifle") or else SBR, SBS, or AOW as appropriate.

If the first fully-assembled configuration capable of firing a shot is a pistol, then it can be reconfigured at a later time to a rifle and back without issue.

There is no legal registry of title 1 firearms so there can be no registration, except that ATF maintains an illegal searchable electronic registry of 4473s collected from out-of-business FFLs, (which, thanks to the recent rule change, will eventually contain ALL 4473s from every transaction from 20 years back going forward as FFLs give up their licenses).

Also, all firearms laws are unconstitutional infringements and all 4473s and the illegal registry should be destroyed. But this is how the unconstitutional laws have been interpreted so far.

[Emptymag]

THANK YOU!!! ^^^

I didn't want to have to type all that!
(and you did a better job than I would have too!)

[ExFlyinguy]

If a lower receiver has never been assembled with all the parts necessary to make a complete functioning gun, it is neither a rifle nor a pistol (nor an SBR nor SBS nor AOW nor "other firearm"), but simply a title 1 receiver and should be marked as a receiver on the Form 4473 when transfered.

This is true even if purchasing a "complete" lower receiver with lower parts kit, buffer tube, and (optionally) a stock or brace pre-installed, provided it has never been assembled into a complete functional firearm capable of firing a shot. It should be perfectly legal to remove the stock from such a "complete lower" and install a pistol brace and pin on a short upper to create a pistol, if desired.

If the first complete firearm assembled and capable of firing a shot is a rifle, then it must remain a rifle, otherwise it requires an NFA tax to reconfigure it to what would otherwise be a pistol or "other firearm" (i.e. "weapon made from a rifle") or else SBR, SBS, or AOW as appropriate.

If the first fully-assembled configuration capable of firing a shot is a pistol, then it can be reconfigured at a later time to a rifle and back without issue.

There is no legal registry of title 1 firearms so there can be no registration, except that ATF maintains an illegal searchable electronic registry of 4473s collected from out-of-business FFLs, (which, thanks to the recent rule change, will eventually contain ALL 4473s from every transaction from 20 years back going forward as FFLs give up their licenses).

Also, all firearms laws are unconstitutional infringements and all 4473s and the illegal registry should be destroyed. But this is how the unconstitutional laws have been interpreted so far.

^^^^NAILED IT^^^^MIC DROP^^^^CLOSE THREAD

[bogey1]

If a lower receiver has never been assembled with all the parts necessary to make a complete functioning gun, it is neither a rifle nor a pistol (nor an SBR nor SBS nor AOW nor "other firearm"), but simply a title 1 receiver and should be marked as a receiver on the Form 4473 when transfered.

This is true even if purchasing a "complete" lower receiver with lower parts kit, buffer tube, and (optionally) a stock or brace pre-installed, provided it has never been assembled into a complete functional firearm capable of firing a shot. It should be perfectly legal to remove the stock from such a "complete lower" and install a pistol brace and pin on a short upper to create a pistol, if desired.

If the first complete firearm assembled and capable of firing a shot is a rifle, then it must remain a rifle, otherwise it requires an NFA tax to reconfigure it to what would otherwise be a pistol or "other firearm" (i.e. "weapon made from a rifle") or else SBR, SBS, or AOW as appropriate.

If the first fully-assembled configuration capable of firing a shot is a pistol, then it can be reconfigured at a later time to a rifle and back without issue.

There is no legal registry of title 1 firearms so there can be no registration, except that ATF maintains an illegal searchable electronic registry of 4473s collected from out-of-business FFLs, (which, thanks to the recent rule change, will eventually contain ALL 4473s from every transaction from 20 years back going forward as FFLs give up their licenses).

Also, all firearms laws are unconstitutional infringements and all 4473s and the illegal registry should be destroyed. But this is how the unconstitutional laws have been interpreted so far.

Thanks buck... Now off to order 10 stripped lowers...

[Xringshooter]

buckengr has it right.

But a quick comment - WHO, other than the owner, is going to know how it was originally built, then unbuilt, rebuilt, unbuilt, rebuilt, etc, ect, unless the owner tells someone?

[Emptymag]

buckengr has it right.

But a quick comment - WHO, other than the owner, is going to know how it was originally built, then unbuilt, rebuilt, unbuilt, rebuilt, etc, ect, unless the owner tells someone?

Nobody. Unless you're talking about a rifle purchased in a traditional manner that would have some form of paper trail indicating what it was when purchased.