Senate Gun Deal announced

[85MikeTPI]

Because of the 60 vote required, this package is the best booker and the other fools could get and they took it.

[RockIsland]

Ok, their new euphemism is "Intervention Orders", which means Red Flag Laws, which are absolutely unconstitutional, because there is no Due Process.

They badly want a national Red Flag Law, and the first step is legislation that endorses and provides for that, first for for blue states, under the states' rights doctrine.
The "court" that determines this will be just one judge issuing the weapons confiscation warrant. They will say that there is "due process" because you can "protest and petition" the so-called court after the fact.

The "resources" can be anything, money for goon squads or to hire lobbying attorneys, or for surveillance squads. But NOTHING for security at the schools!!! That's where armed guards are needed!!!
But they don't care....they want to an excuse to chip away at the 2nd amendment.

Intervention Orders
* Provides resources to states and tribes to create and administer laws that help ensure deadly weapons are kept out of the hands of individuals whom a court has determined to be a significant danger to themselves or others, consistent with state and federal due process and constitutional protections.

As soon as I heard that Cocaine Mitch appointed John Cornyn to the "Bipartisan Anti 2A Talks", I knew we'd be getting red *** laws out of this at best.

[eagleclaw]

I suspect this bill will have to go through the house. If they are allowed to add amendments say hello to anther attempt at a magazine ban.

[Ilikebuckets]

I suspect this bill will have to go through the house. If they are allowed to add amendments say hello to anther attempt at a magazine ban.

All bills from the Senate go through the house and vice versa. Maxine Walters is saying the house will quickly pass whatever they are sent. https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022...-deal-on-guns/

In another article Pelosi indicates the same thing. But one thing both Pelosi and Waters are saying is that while they will pass this, it is not enough. There are plenty of reasons not to compromise but that sticks out to me. Why agree to anything if they are overtly and vocally not going to stop with this?

[c45man]

All bills from the Senate go through the house and vice versa. Maxine Walters is saying the house will quickly pass whatever they are sent. https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022...-deal-on-guns/

In another article Pelosi indicates the same thing. But one thing both Pelosi and Waters are saying is that while they will pass this, it is not enough. There are plenty of reasons not to compromise but that sticks out to me. Why agree to anything if they are overtly and vocally not going to stop with this?

Waters and Pelosi will have a hard time expanding their agenda with the strong likelihood of a republican controlled house in the next congress.

[Ilikebuckets]

Waters and Pelosi will have a hard time expanding their agenda with the strong likelihood of a republican controlled house in the next congress.

Hopefully this happens but take nothing for granted. Even if the Republicans retake Congress the left is playing the long game that has been in action since the National Firearms act of 1934. They will never stop trying to disarm the populace. They get this now and it is that much less that they need next time. That is why I never want to see any compromise on the 2nd. Every time there is compromise we lose something and the left is that much closer to what they want. They do not hide it, they keep saying this is not enough and we will keep fighting to get more.

[buckengr]

This IS a very bad bill. Intervention orders = Red Flag = confiscation without due process. At a minimum, these are serious violations of the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and arguably 6th and 8th amendments too.

Remember, if existing Red Flag laws from other states that already have them are any indication, you won't be aware that the initial hearing is taking place (since it is a ex parte hearing) so you won't be able to have your own lawyer present to represent you, provide your own evidence, challenge the petitioner's "evidence", or face your accuser.

The court will make a decision based on one side's claimed "evidence", issue the order, and then send a SWAT team to come bust down your door at 4:30 am to seize all of your guns. Then, if you weren't shot in the process, you get to wait days to weeks (at least) to have your follow up hearing where you have to fight to get your rights and your guns back.

Don't forget, since Red Flags are civil proceedings, you won't be provided a lawyer even if you can't afford one. Lawyers and expert witnesses are expensive. Good luck paying for all of that out of pocket!

Also, the evidentiary standard required for the state to issue the Red Flag order (and possibly to keep it in place?) is mere preponderance of evidence (i.e. >50% chance that you pose a threat to yourself or others) rather than beyond a reasonable doubt.

What judge is going to risk their career by not issuing a Red Flag Gun Confiscation Order when the ONLY evidence they have to go off of is whatever the accuser says! When only one side gets to present evidence (e.g. lie) and it goes unchallenged, wouldn't you expect that it would be pretty easy to convince a judge that the "evidence" crosses that magic 50% threshold required to issue the order? Judges would get little reward (from most people) for standing up for due process and denying Red Flag orders, but will inevitably get crucified by the media if they ever fail to issue an order and something bad happens.

Sure, it might sound like defaulting to issuing the orders could be a good thing, but then why bother with any of that due process nonsense? If we just summarily execute all suspected criminals, we'd probably let a lot fewer guilty ones free. But that is not how our system of justice works! Due process is supposed to protect against the tendency to default to "safety" for the masses at the expense of essential liberty for the individual. That is the point!

I am also concerned that the "crackdown on unlicensed gun dealers" part might turn in to another codified ban on 80% receivers and other homemade firearms by subjecting partial frame/receiver manufacturers to FFL requirements by reinforcing the recent rulemaking with a new statute.

Too early to tell the details without any text published yet, but the Red Flag bribery alone makes this a very, very serious threat to liberty.

We MUST continue to fight this all the way down. Don't stop 'til the threat is gone.

[JaySmith]

H.R.7910 - Protecting Our Kids Act

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-...0/text?r=1&s=1

This has passed the house, now onto the senate.

Key take away's that i was able to come up with...

* SEC. 101. PROHIBITION ON FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSEE SELLING OR DELIVERING CERTAIN SEMIAUTOMATIC CENTERFIRE RIFLES OR SEMIAUTOMATIC CENTERFIRE SHOTGUNS TO A PERSON UNDER 21 YEARS OF AGE, WITH EXCEPTIONS.
* SEC. 301. REQUIREMENT THAT ALL FIREARMS BE TRACEABLE.
** *(ii) a firearm that, not later than 30 months after the date of enactment of this paragraph, has been identified by means of a unique serial number, assigned by a State agency, engraved or cast on the receiver or frame of the firearm in accordance with State law;
* *(v) (1) It shall be unlawful for a person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a large capacity ammunition feeding device.


So, you can't be trusted with a firearm at 18, but you can be trusted to vote. You can't make your own firearms without registering them, and you must register all firearms you have made within 30 months. You can't purchase any magazines with a capacity greater than 15.

[arrowtech]

Ignore these criminals. Do not under any circumstance, relinquish control of any prior lawfully purchased or self manufactured firearm. These illegitimate *laws* are foisted upon the people because the *ruling class* want you to be distracted from what is really about to happen. I*m sure these knuckleheads are quite paranoid after countless years of stealing the livelihood of their constituents and killing millions of innocent people with their endless wars. They are delusional and disgusting freaks who need to be put behind bars and banished from our presence. Being labeled a criminal by these cretins should be badge of honor to all people of good will.

[steve_010]

Are you a little sad? Did you inquire with your doctor about possibly taking an antidepressant? Boom, your guns are taken away because you might be a threat to yourself much less someone else. This is what it is. And as others have said, they won't ask nicely for them. The SWAT team will shoot your dog and you since you were already "proven" to be dangerous.