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Thread: Pistol Brace Executive Order
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September 27th, 2022, 02:09 PM #151
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September 27th, 2022, 02:17 PM #152
Re: Pistol Brace Executive Order
"It seems that the Constitution is more or less guidelines than actual rules"
My feedback: http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=305685
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September 27th, 2022, 02:28 PM #153
Re: Pistol Brace Executive Order
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September 27th, 2022, 02:49 PM #154
Re: Pistol Brace Executive Order
Ya, how many times have we seen some extremely unlucky person made an example of, usually just due to a lack of knowledge and an unfortunate series of events.
Yes, it may take years for the courts to make this right, but that is the course we follow as law abiding citizens. I'm not going to jail over a stupid pistol brace. I advocate, donate to all the orgs fighting for us, write to my reps, and vote, all while playing by the rules because I can't afford not to.
I'm also speaking from a place of having both a C&R FFL and numerous NFA items. The ATF has my number. I like to imagine they think of me as the last person they want to visit on confiscation day. I get it, if you don't want to register your first NFA item by government decree and not by choice. That sucks.In America arms are free merchandise such that anyone who has the capital may make their houses into armories and their gardens into parks of artillery. - Ira Allen, 1796
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September 27th, 2022, 03:31 PM #155
Re: Pistol Brace Executive Order
Oh I get it. I play by the rules, to avoid having my life ruined or ended by a rogue agency. I also advocate, donate, write, and vote for all the things that promote our human rights. But the problem is, it's not getting us anywhere, at least not in a timely manner. Something needs to change, because what we have is currently unacceptable.
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September 27th, 2022, 04:35 PM #156Senior Member
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Re: Pistol Brace Executive Order
Once you've registered with the gestapo, they own you. Now they know what you have. Next, they'll come up with a new "rule" (punishable as a felony offense of course) that will revolve around a new retroactive tax. So they sucker you into getting put on a list, next they decide it's not tax-free after all and now you're totally fucked.
Stage two is taxing boat accidents with a retroactive tax dating back to the documentable date of the boat rollover.
This would have been crackpot hypothesizing just 10-15 years ago. Now THAT is some scary shit.Strange women lying in ponds, distributing swords, is no basis for a system of government.
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September 27th, 2022, 04:47 PM #157
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Or they decide sbr's are flat out illegal and you must turn them in. And they have your name and address now. I would wager that *most* gun owners do not have nfa items. Even AR15 owners. It's a hassle. But then braces come along and a lot of them see it as a way to get around nfa, so they buy the pistol with the brace, and they're still not nfa registered. I think this is a goal to get as many people into the nfa db as possible, because the regular firearms database is not supposed to be searchable, where the nfa database is.
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September 27th, 2022, 05:04 PM #158
Re: Pistol Brace Executive Order
You're asking the wrong guy, because I personally don't have the time to watch dozens of YT vids from anyone with a video camera who has an axe to grind one way or the other when it comes to 2A.
I have two friends, not acquaintances, actual friends who are BATFE bureaucrats at the Firearms Technology Branch in Martinsburg, WV and they are supposed to be sending me the specifics, but apparently even they can't get the straight scoop.
In the meantime, I can't see .gov turning down $$$.
NoahWisdom and knowledge shall be the stability of thy times.
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September 27th, 2022, 05:25 PM #159
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If you guys want to put on your conspiracy hats then just start imagining every 4473 you ever completed has some how been secretly entered into a searchable database and you're all on a list! AHHHHHH
NFA owners are definitely a tiny minority of gun owners and a ridiculously small percentage of the US population. So legislation that caters to positively impacting NFA owners is a long shot. I think a court decision that benefits us is more likely.
By the numbers...
https://americansuppressorassociatio...essor-figures/
The total number of suppressors registered in the NFRTR is 2,664,775 as of May 2021
This represents a 30% increase (622,056) since April 2020
A 35% increase in SOT dealers in 2020 (10,537, up from 7,806 in 2019)
In the past ten years, the average annual growth was 17%
A 10% increase in SOT manufacturers in 2020 (6,310, up from 5,716 in 2019)
In the past ten years, the average annual growth was 14%
If you click the link to the ATF report, they give the following totals for registered NFA items, and I think this has to include items owned by individuals and trusts as well as FFLs/SOTs and LLCs.
AOWs - 67,744
DDs - 3,343,519
MGs - 741,146
Suppressors - 2,664,774
SBRs - 532,725
SBSs - 162,267
Total - 7,512,175
You can see the total of each by state, but I'll just share PA has 348,167 total registered NFA items, which looks to put us in 5th place overall. WEAK.
Why so many DDs? My guess is corporations making things for the government to buy. Recreational DD ownership is super rare. Looking at it by state, DDs are concentrated heavily in a few states, which I think supports my theory.
It's assumed there are around 186,000 transferable machineguns on the registry, making the rest non-transferable samples owned by SOTs, etc.
So, are SBRs currently in common use? I don't know. That's a pretty small number. Considering that it isn't uncommon for an SBR owner to have more than one, then that further shrinks the number of SBR owners.
Seeing that the total Form 1s processed in 2019 was 28k and the total number processed in 2020 was 40k, they have no chance of being able to process a million pistol brace registrations. But if you look at the increase in Form 1s and Form 4s by year, the volume increase since 2013 is a big flag that something changed. That was about the time I dipped into the game. I wonder why so many other's did at that time as well?
Anyways, there's the numbers. I kind of wish there were more NFA owners. We could probably get some more attention.In America arms are free merchandise such that anyone who has the capital may make their houses into armories and their gardens into parks of artillery. - Ira Allen, 1796
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September 27th, 2022, 05:38 PM #160
Re: Pistol Brace Executive Order
Yeah. I forgot about that aspect.
This "amnesty" period includes a free tax stamp.
That's why some morons were all giddy, thinking they could build pistols to get a free SBR.I called to check my ZIP CODE!....DY-NO-MITE!!!
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