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    Default Re: Tracking Hunting Dogs onto Private Property

    Quote Originally Posted by free View Post
    I'm a hard case...I would have gotten rid of it and dared him to charge me. I'd be happy to go court and let him try to prove I did anything illegal and let the judge decide who the bigger asshole is.

    I'd like to see the law that says you can't remove a dead animal you find on your property from your property.
    You don't need to move it from your property. A hole in the ground is still your property. The problem with the warden's logic is, that it's on the guy's property, he's already in possession of it.
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    Default Re: Tracking Hunting Dogs onto Private Property

    Quote Originally Posted by free View Post
    I hardly see how a private property owner wanting to keep his private property private, free of unwanted outdoor hobbyists and their dogs, is any sort of asshole.

    On the other hand, I can go to virtually any accessible woodland location imaginable, and find evidence of assholes having been there (beer cars, cigarette butts, spent rounds, or other trash).

    It seems rather obvious why landowners don't want uninvited guests on their property...for any reason.
    An example of an asshole landowner is one who disallows a polite request to recover an animal shot elsewhere, just to be a prick.
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    Default Re: Tracking Hunting Dogs onto Private Property

    Quote Originally Posted by cdi View Post
    An example of an asshole landowner is one who disallows a polite request to recover an animal shot elsewhere, just to be a prick.
    THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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    Default Re: Tracking Hunting Dogs onto Private Property

    Quote Originally Posted by streaker69 View Post
    You don't need to move it from your property. A hole in the ground is still your property. The problem with the warden's logic is, that it's on the guy's property, he's already in possession of it.
    And it has a bullet hole in it. Also, if the property owner does not have a hunting license he is guilty of poaching as well as being an asshole. All deer must be tagged properly before being moved.
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    Default Re: Tracking Hunting Dogs onto Private Property

    Quote Originally Posted by STBear View Post
    THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    I would caveat it with, is it a repeated offense.
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    Default Re: Tracking Hunting Dogs onto Private Property

    Quote Originally Posted by cdi View Post
    An example of an asshole landowner is one who disallows a polite request to recover an animal shot elsewhere, just to be a prick.
    Maybe the guy who wants the deer should offer to pay a fee for wasting the property owner's time.

    $200 seems fair.

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    Default Re: Tracking Hunting Dogs onto Private Property

    ....and,maybe the owner wasn't being a prick but is simply against hunting and opted not to encourage or support it by accommodating the hunter...his beliefs,his property.
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    Default Re: Tracking Hunting Dogs onto Private Property

    Quote Originally Posted by chp1911 View Post
    And it has a bullet hole in it. Also, if the property owner does not have a hunting license he is guilty of poaching as well as being an asshole. All deer must be tagged properly before being moved.
    I think the game warden would have a pretty difficult time proving a case that the homeowner poached the deer without lying before the court. Of course, I doubt that matters cine law enforcement regularly does that and are never held accountable.
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    Default Re: Tracking Hunting Dogs onto Private Property

    Quote Originally Posted by chp1911 View Post
    And it has a bullet hole in it. Also, if the property owner does not have a hunting license he is guilty of poaching....
    No he isn't.

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    Default Re: Tracking Hunting Dogs onto Private Property

    Quote Originally Posted by STBear View Post
    Contacting the Game Commission is the correct way to go. However, they do not have authority to give you permission to enter the property but can be very persuasive. One time a deer I shot ran onto private property and died next to the landowners house. He wouldn't give me permission to retrieve the deer and denied the Game Warden permission. The Game Warden told the landowner that if he removed or moved the deer he would be charged with possession of an illegal deer. The Game Warden checked every day as the deer rotted and stunk next to the guys house. A waste of good meat but the asshole got a good stink.
    Interesting:

    34 Pa CSA § 2304. Ownership of carcass of game or wildlife.

    (a) General rule.--The carcass of game or wildlife lawfully killed or taken shall be the property of the person who inflicts a mortal wound which enables that person to take possession of the carcass.
    18 Pa CSA § 3924. Theft of property lost, mislaid, or delivered by mistake.

    A person who comes into control of property of another that he knows to have been lost, mislaid, or delivered under a mistake as to the nature or amount of the property or the identity of the recipient is guilty of theft if, with intent to deprive the owner thereof, he fails to take reasonable measures to restore the property to a person entitled to have it.
    Last edited by tl_3237; May 20th, 2022 at 10:21 AM.
    IANAL

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