Proposed ATF 80% rules and kits

[Rosco the Iroc]

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regula...ceiver/summary

Summary of Proposed Rule 2021R-05

Under the proposed rule, a “privately made firearm” (PMF) is a firearm, including a frame or receiver, assembled or otherwise produced by a person other than a licensed manufacturer, and without a serial number or other identifying markings placed by a licensed manufacturer at the time the firearm was produced. The term does not include an NFA registered firearm, or one made before October 22, 1968 (unless remanufactured after that date).

Licensees must:

Properly mark each PMF acquired before the effective date of the rule within 60 days after the rule becomes final, or before the date of disposition (including to a personal collection), whichever is sooner.

Properly mark previously acquired PMFs themselves or may arrange to have another licensee mark the firearm on their behalf. PMFs currently in inventory that a licensee chooses not to mark may also be destroyed or voluntarily turned-in to law enforcement within the 60-day period.

Once the rule becomes final, and unless already marked by another licensee, properly mark each PMF within seven days following the date of receipt or other acquisition (including from a personal collection), or before the date of disposition (including to a personal collection), whichever is sooner.

Mark PMFs acquired after the rule becomes effective themselves or under their direct supervision by another licensee with the supervising licensee’s information.

Mark PMFs with the same serial number on each frame or receiver of a weapon that begins with the FFL’s abbreviated license number (first three and last five digits) as a prefix followed by a hyphen on any “privately made firearm” (as defined) that the licensee acquired (e.g., “12345678-[number]”).

Record PMFs in their acquisition and disposition records, whether or not kept overnight, and update their acquisition entries with information marked on PMFs.
Licensees may refuse to accept PMFs or arrange for private individuals to have them marked by another licensee before accepting them, provided they are properly marked in accordance with this proposed rule.

[ExFlyinguy]

Summary of Proposed Rule 2021R-05

Under the proposed rule, a *privately made firearm* (PMF) is a firearm, including a frame or receiver, assembled or otherwise produced by a person other than a licensed manufacturer, and without a serial number or other identifying markings placed by a licensed manufacturer at the time the firearm was produced. The term does not include an NFA registered firearm, or one made before October 22, 1968 (unless remanufactured after that date).

Licensees must:

Properly mark each PMF acquired before the effective date of the rule within 60 days after the rule becomes final, or before the date of disposition (including to a personal collection), whichever is sooner.

Properly mark previously acquired PMFs themselves or may arrange to have another licensee mark the firearm on their behalf. PMFs currently in inventory that a licensee chooses not to mark may also be destroyed or voluntarily turned-in to law enforcement within the 60-day period.

Once the rule becomes final, and unless already marked by another licensee, properly mark each PMF within seven days following the date of receipt or other acquisition (including from a personal collection), or before the date of disposition (including to a personal collection), whichever is sooner.

Mark PMFs acquired after the rule becomes effective themselves or under their direct supervision by another licensee with the supervising licensee*s information.

Mark PMFs with the same serial number on each frame or receiver of a weapon that begins with the FFL*s abbreviated license number (first three and last five digits) as a prefix followed by a hyphen on any *privately made firearm* (as defined) that the licensee acquired (e.g., *12345678-[number]*).

Record PMFs in their acquisition and disposition records, whether or not kept overnight, and update their acquisition entries with information marked on PMFs.
Licensees may refuse to accept PMFs or arrange for private individuals to have them marked by another licensee before accepting them, provided they are properly marked in accordance with this proposed rule.

Meh

[Emptymag]

I'll wait for the movie version.

This book version is too hard to follow. (no pictures)

[HKusp 45]

that sure looks like a registry to me I guess we get to donate more of our hard earned money to GOA and the like and watch the injunctions fly...... also I have a laser no need for me to have anyone else mark my PMF's curious how they plan on reimbursing people the cost to do so as well.

[EFK]

So this only applies to FFLs? That's how I am reading it. It looks like the serial number crap only comes into play if you make one and later plan to move it through a "Licensee?"

[ExFlyinguy]

that sure looks like a registry to me I guess we get to donate more of our hard earned money to GOA and the like and watch the injunctions fly...... also I have a laser no need for me to have anyone else mark my PMF's curious how they plan on reimbursing people the cost to do so as well.

The ATF can't mandate citizens mark their homebuilt firearms because it simply isn't in the law. But, they (ATF) have regulatory power over FFLs so they take the bite where they can. I should hope that it is very very rare that they (FFLs) would even come into possession of home built firearms, but if they do, it's their burden to mark the PMF, not the sellers. Of course the FFL can refuse the transfer.

There's still no need for you to mark your PMF.

A homebuilt(PMF) unmarked rifle can still be sold FTF in PA.

So this only applies to FFLs? That's how I am reading it. It looks like the serial number crap only comes into play if you make one and later plan to move it through a "Licensee?"

Yes you nailed it, it only applies to FFL's

[GunLawyer001]

All part of the Master Plan, where they (a) get a good idea of where every gun is and who has them, and then once that list is ready, (b) ban all guns and make a few raids on law-abiding folks when the list of guns doesn't match the list of surrendered guns. Scare the straights so they comply. The fact that the criminal class has never complied with the FFL requirements or import restrictions or the laws against theft and interstate private transfers, is irrelevant to the ACTUAL goal of disarming everyone who might resist being sent to the re-education camps.

None of this is about reducing crime. Not one smidgen of it. It's about strangling the class who might stand up for liberty when they finally come out of the closet and suspend the Constitution and hold secret military trials for what you wrote on social media. That's not the criminals, criminals don't rebel against tyranny, they just make money off it. Armed criminals are no threat to the tyrants. It's armed lawyers and truckers and engineers and farmers that would unseat them, just like in 1776.

Look at what the globalist woke chapter in Canada did to the truckers. Obey, or we will destroy your lives and finances and bankrupt you and send you to jail, all before any trials.

It's a long game, but pretty much EVERY gun control scheme revolves around registering all guns. They honestly don't care about "universal background checks" except as a vehicle to track every last gun transfer. Same for reporting lost or stolen guns, it's not like they'll assign a detective to finding your missing pistol; it's purely pre-planning by the banners, so when they ask you what happened to that AR you had, they can arrest you no matter what you say; if it was lost of stolen, they arrest you for not reporting it. If you sold it privately, they arrest you for evading the universal background check scam.

[Matt40]

So this only applies to FFLs? That's how I am reading it. It looks like the serial number crap only comes into play if you make one and later plan to move it through a "Licensee?"

Don't take this as legal or correct but...As I read it, anything thing that "Needs" to be transferred via an FFL(80% or not-Pistols, yes AR's as configured when or if transferred). Or the FFL's 80% Lowers in stock when sold, or Pistols/Rifles left with the FFL for servicing etc. will need to be serialized and logged with that FFL.(A Background check I would think to apply to all scenarios at this time) In theory if you never use an FFL for any Privately made firearms, or any portion requiring to be serialized or never sell them using an FFL then according to PA I think(often not well) one would be good for not breaking any laws or rules. Pa private sale should still be a thing as long as its got a serial already and maybe you may eventually need to get a serial to sell privately on those that didn't have them as a PMF especially if to become a pistol(sounds dumb because it all is)(???????) This is all "assuming" one is not a Prohibited person according to the charges brought by correct entity meaning if its state charges then states rules, federal charges federal rules. Again probably not correct or anywhere near as cut and dry an issue. Best ask a Lawyer unfortunately they don't always tell you all of because they don't know until they win or lose in the courts.

[SevenMilePete]

Meh

But......in PA, anyway, there is no registry of long guns, like the illegal registry based on FFL sales records, which I was actually told by a Trooper was a "legal" registry. If a long gun, such as the ones they are proposing these new rules for is sold privately, there is no record of the transfer, so what good is the serial number. What am I missing here?

[ExFlyinguy]

But......in PA, anyway, there is no registry of long guns, like the illegal registry based on FFL sales records, which I was actually told by a Trooper was a "legal" registry. If a long gun, such as the ones they are proposing these new rules for is sold privately, there is no record of the transfer, so what good is the serial number. What am I missing here?

I said as much in post #6. It does not apply to privately made long guns sold FTF. *I suspect it would be a rare occasion that someone would want to sell their privately made firearm (but maybe that's just me).

Now I'm sure this rule change is all a bunch of shit stinking Biden fuckery that will possibly cause me a aneurysm as I wade my way through it, but can those naysayers that insisted that this meant PMF's needed to be serialized, finally put the below to rest?

As with the NPRM,
the final rule does not mandate unlicensed persons to mark their own PMFs for personal
use, or when they occasionally acquire them for a personal collection or sell or transfer
them from a personal collection to unlicensed in-State residents consistent with Federal,
State, and local law.

can be found on page 7(and again on page 48) of the rule change here:https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/ru...ation/download