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    Default Re: ATF denying “Solvent Trap” Form 1’s!!!!

    What I am hearing is that the rumor is the ATF is going after the cans made with Diversified Machine parts. Denying any DM form 1 and removing previously approved DM cans from the registry.

    They were creating software to automate the process and a code monkey made an error that caused the mass denials. The denials weren't just for DM customers and supposedly that was part of the code error. Instead of going just after DM cans, it went after all e-form 1 cans. Apparently the writers/coders didn't run that script in a test environment first, just did what the ATF does, "Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead".

    FWIW, The American Suppressor Association is also looking into it.
    https://mailchi.mp/americansuppresso...6?e=370f5764db
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    Default Re: ATF denying “Solvent Trap” Form 1’s!!!!

    Talked to my Representative Glenn Thompson at length last night at a FNRA dinner/fundraiser. He hadn't been informed about what the ATF is doing with the suppressor Form 1's and as we talked he took notes and told me that on Monday he is going to get his people to see what is going on and he will talk to other Reps to see what they have been told. He said he dislikes the direction the ATF is headed as much as we all do.
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    Default Re: ATF denying “Solvent Trap” Form 1’s!!!!

    Any new updates on this? I saw this on some Form1 groups on FB while I was out on vacation. Sucks, I have a JK .22 kit I was going to do and messed up my Form1 back in November. Never bother re-submitting it since it was getting to the colder season now it sounds like I'm SOL to get it approved and actually build it now.

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    Default Re: ATF denying “Solvent Trap” Form 1’s!!!!

    Latest thing I saw was that the ATF was/is trying to get people to give up their 5th amendment rights by forcing them to send pictures and other information with the Form 1 that the ATF could use to possibly prosecute someone for having "suppressor parts" on hand before getting a Form 1 approval.

    Ron USAF Ret E-8 FFL01/SOT3 NRA Benefactor Member

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    Default Re: ATF denying “Solvent Trap” Form 1’s!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by USMC3531 View Post
    My knowledge is old on this subject but are you not supposed to aquire the stamp before you start making? Used to be constructive intent to own the materials prior to payment and receiving the tax stamp.
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    Default Re: ATF denying “Solvent Trap” Form 1’s!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Xringshooter View Post
    Latest thing I saw was that the ATF was/is trying to get people to give up their 5th amendment rights by forcing them to send pictures and other information with the Form 1 that the ATF could use to possibly prosecute someone for having "suppressor parts" on hand before getting a Form 1 approval.

    OK I should have read all the posts first.
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    Default Re: ATF denying “Solvent Trap” Form 1’s!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by widgetman101 View Post
    Any new updates on this? I saw this on some Form1 groups on FB while I was out on vacation. Sucks, I have a JK .22 kit I was going to do and messed up my Form1 back in November. Never bother re-submitting it since it was getting to the colder season now it sounds like I'm SOL to get it approved and actually build it now.
    Better than having to surrender a completed and stamped work of art. I feel like it's the 1970s all over again. LGBFJB
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    Default Re: ATF denying “Solvent Trap” Form 1’s!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gunsnwater View Post
    Better than having to surrender a completed and stamped work of art. I feel like it's the 1970s all over again. LGBFJB
    I have two approved and completed already this was a third one for cheap shooting. I won’t bother resubmitting this one until we know more about what’s going on.

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    Default Re: ATF denying “Solvent Trap” Form 1’s!!!!

    Found this gent on screw tube*. He sounds knowledgeable and credible, he is speaking solely about the diversified solvent trap*.. but
    It does show the thought process behind ATF*s madness*..

    https://youtu.be/ae0pZzwxFHg
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    Big whoop, I'm spooning a Barret .50 Cal...... I could like kill a building.....

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    Default Re: ATF denying “Solvent Trap” Form 1’s!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Xringshooter View Post
    I would like the ATF to provide me with pictures of where in the constitution it gives their unelected organization the power to pass laws. I would further like a detailed description of the process they will use to go fuck themselves.
    F*#K THE ATF

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