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  1. #11
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    Default Re: ATF denying “Solvent Trap” Form 1’s!!!!

    I called to check my ZIP CODE!....DY-NO-MITE!!!

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    Default Re: ATF denying “Solvent Trap” Form 1’s!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by imashooter2 View Post
    That doesn*t sound even remotely like they intend to use your submission for a constructive intent conviction.
    Yet. These guys are up to no good, and will use this information to pursue other targets.

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    Default Re: ATF denying “Solvent Trap” Form 1’s!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by JaySmith View Post
    Yet. These guys are up to no good, and will use this information to pursue other targets.
    I thought my sarcasm was fairly apparent. Seems to me they want you to admit in the paperwork that you possess what they will retroactively declare is a suppressor without the proper taxes being paid. Why else do they need clear pictures of the parts that until recently weren*t an NFA device?

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    Default Re: ATF denying “Solvent Trap” Form 1’s!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by USMC3531 View Post
    Has anyone ever actually been convicted on constructive intent?
    I don’t know. But I do know that it will cost you real money to fight the bogus charges.

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    Default Re: ATF denying “Solvent Trap” Form 1’s!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by imashooter2 View Post
    I don*t know. But I do know that it will cost you real money to fight the bogus charges.
    I think it's just a bogey man they hold over us. I doubt anybody gets charged with constructive intent as a stand alone charge. More likely to get charged with unregistered silencers like they did with the wish . Com solvent traps

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    Default Re: ATF denying “Solvent Trap” Form 1’s!!!!

    I saw some postings that people were getting denied even when specifying they didn't yet own any parts and/or they were going to be manufacturing from raw materials.
    F*#K THE ATF

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    Default Re: ATF denying “Solvent Trap” Form 1’s!!!!

    I have no idea if I'm being factually correct or just ranting but this all went to shit when they declared every part of a silencer is a "silencer".

    I think it started with a manufacturer that made rubber wipes that fit on the end caps. The AFT came out and said that the wipes themselves were "silencers" and thus could not be purchased separately and had to be replaced by the manufacturer.

    How the fuck can you form 1 something when you can't possess any of the necessary parts to build the fucking thing
    "It seems that the Constitution is more or less guidelines than actual rules"
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    Default Re: ATF denying “Solvent Trap” Form 1’s!!!!

    Sounds like we just heard “papers, please, I need to see your papers….” If you wouldn’t mind, would you please rat out your solvent trap manufacturer?
    A Templar is truly a fearless knight, and secure on every side, for his soul is protected by the armor of faith, just as his body is protected by the armor of steel.
    Big whoop, I'm spooning a Barret .50 Cal...... I could like kill a building.....

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    Default Re: ATF denying “Solvent Trap” Form 1’s!!!!

    Firearms Owners Against Crime has a detailed writeup.
    Looks like the ATF read Joseph Heller.

    https://foac-pac.org/Atf-Goes-After-...ews-Item/13375
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    Default Re: ATF denying “Solvent Trap” Form 1’s!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by USMC3531 View Post
    I think it's just a bogey man they hold over us. I doubt anybody gets charged with constructive intent as a stand alone charge. More likely to get charged with unregistered silencers like they did with the wish . Com solvent traps
    I would be more concerned with the charge of lying to a federal agent, which is easily and often thrown around.
    In America arms are free merchandise such that anyone who has the capital may make their houses into armories and their gardens into parks of artillery. - Ira Allen, 1796

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