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Civil Rights and Crime
Here is an article I wrote about civil rights and crime.
http://guncontroldebate.quora.com/Th...angbanger-Of-c
The 2nd Amendment certainly inhibits the power of the state to protect us from the street thug and the gangbanger.
Of course, what we should all remember is that the 2nd Amendment is not alone in this.
Other constitutional provisions place limits on the state to keep us safe from the street thug and the gangbanger.
Consider the 4th Amendment. It restricts the ability of the police to find evidence of criminal wrongdoing. This means the street thug and the gangbanger may get away with their crimes, which enables murder. Not only that, the 4th Amendment is unique to the United States of America. Surely the police in Paris, Lagos, or Singapore do not worry about the 4th Amendment, probable cause, or the exclusionary rule. They just look for evidence.
Why not follow the example of other countries?
Or what about the 5th or 6th Amendments?
How many more street thugs and gangbangers could we catch if we could make them testify against themselves? Or why even bother with trials? Why not trust the police to judge who is and is not guilty? How much more difficult would it be to commit murder- let alone get away with murder- if we let the police judge whether or not a street thug or gangbanger is guilty?
Or what about the 14th amendment? What if there were certain racial demographics in the U.S. that commit murder at a significantly higher rate than the general population? Why should not the police focus on those demographics? Why should not lawmakers place extra restrictions on the liberties of people in those crime-prone demographics. Would it not be worth it if it prevented one murder?
Why do we need civil rights at all, given how they tie the hands of the state?
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September 5th, 2021, 04:54 PM #2
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A useful point; all of the rights guaranteed to the People are an inconvenience to the agents of the State. But we've had these rights for a long time, and Americans kind of like civil liberties.
The tragedy is that the ACLU is blind to this, they're willing to let gun rights go away, which is sort of like letting just half of your soap bubble burst. If they can disarm us all, then the rest of our rights aren't worth a bucket of warm spit.
The only quibble I have is with the demographics argument, which has been repeatedly used to thwart sensible actions like putting more cops in the high-crime areas, or target drivers who fit the drug mule profile, neither of which actions infringes any enumerated rights.
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September 19th, 2021, 03:51 PM #3
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Gasp! Did you advocate profiling??? OMG
Just noticed the date....Sept 5th. Better late than never? Better get with it....There are two kinds of guns. Those I have acquired, and those I hope to.
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September 19th, 2021, 04:58 PM #4
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There's nothing in the Constitution that prohibits looking at the totality of the circumstances, and pulling over the speeders who are in larger vehicles traveling north on I95, alone. Cops have the right to pull over any speeders.
If profiling didn't work, I expect that cops wouldn't use it. And unlike warrantless searches or forced confessions or imprisonment without trial, it's not un-Constitutional.
Drug mules could avoid profile stops if they just didn't speed, but the sort of people who become drug mules aren't the kind of people who can control their behavior.
I remember the advocates who opposed profile stops of speeders, arguing something like "only 25% of those stops produce illegal drugs", which seems like a pretty good argument to continue them, since I doubt 25% of all traffic contains illegal drugs. Maybe I'm wrong.Attorney Phil Kline, AKA gunlawyer001@gmail.com
Ce sac n'est pas un jouet.
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September 19th, 2021, 08:11 PM #5
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Israelis have always practiced profiling as part of their overall security doctrine, their tactics are world class. Airport security, for example.
Paradoxically, I struggle with that level of government overreach, although I understand why they do it.
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September 19th, 2021, 09:04 PM #6
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Profiling is a media buzzword on a scale with cop-killer bullets and Saturday Night Specials.
If a skunk habitually stinks up my patio, I sure as hell will accomplish nothing by chasing anything with four feet to prove I am not biased.
Facts build patterns, and patterns can be acted upon with reason. Setting the stage just to prove complete lack of profile leads to 20 years of airport detentions and searches of 90 year old grandmothers, when the problem is men of a particular persuasion that generally fit a description based on history.There are two kinds of guns. Those I have acquired, and those I hope to.
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September 13th, 2023, 09:51 PM #7
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August 30th, 2023, 07:17 PM #8
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"If profiling didn't work, I expect that cops wouldn't use it. And unlike warrantless searches or forced confessions or imprisonment without trial, it's not un-Constitutional"
You're assuming most cops are flawless patriots and constitutional scholars. Prohibition was a huge failure. The war on drugs continued even though it was a massive failure and waste of government. LEO do things all the time for ulterior motives. You may as well say politicians never target individuals for bad reasons.
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August 30th, 2023, 07:50 PM #9
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