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    Default ATF declares Rare Breed Triggers a machine gun

    ATF making up their rules again:

    Per GunLawyers comments, here is the actual shot of the ATF Filing so far:



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    Default Re: ATF declares Rare Breed Triggers a machine gun

    Quote Originally Posted by widgetman101 View Post
    ATF making up their rules again:

    You have to admit, this one was questionable....

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    Bad video. It's a 3:32 vid, the first 60 seconds are ads and self-promotion (apparently, I skipped ahead to :57) . Then he slowly reads portions of the letter that is too small to read.

    It wastes the viewer's time. That's a bad thing. If you want 3 1/2 minutes of my time, I'm not going to spend 25% of it on unrelated things, then the rest on a letter that I could read for myself in 30 seconds.
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    Default Re: ATF declares Rare Breed Triggers a machine gun

    Here's 1:34 of the trigger in action:

    https://vimeo.com/486484848
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    Default Re: ATF declares Rare Breed Triggers a machine gun

    Quote Originally Posted by GunLawyer001 View Post
    Bad video. It's a 3:32 vid, the first 60 seconds are ads and self-promotion (apparently, I skipped ahead to :57) . Then he slowly reads portions of the letter that is too small to read.

    It wastes the viewer's time. That's a bad thing. If you want 3 1/2 minutes of my time, I'm not going to spend 25% of it on unrelated things, then the rest on a letter that I could read for myself in 30 seconds.
    I added a image of the actual letter that is floating around, I choose that guys video to link because he's one of the bigger channels. I agree a lot of it's bs rambling on unrelated things but if people want they can search and find dozens of videos they prefer. I just choose him since he was reporting and one of the bigger channels on gun news. I actually came across it from a smaller channel but didn't want to link it since it wasn't a big channel in the gun space.

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    Default Re: ATF declares Rare Breed Triggers a machine gun

    Quote Originally Posted by widgetman101 View Post
    I added a image of the actual letter that is floating around, I choose that guys video to link because he's one of the bigger channels. I agree a lot of it's bs rambling on unrelated things but if people want they can search and find dozens of videos they prefer. I just choose him since he was reporting and one of the bigger channels on gun news. I actually came across it from a smaller channel but didn't want to link it since it wasn't a big channel in the gun space.
    I'm not blaming you, I'm warning others. We have finite time to mess with the Internet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GunLawyer001 View Post
    I'm not blaming you, I'm warning others. We have finite time to mess with the Internet.
    For sure, I just posted the image of the ATF letter and put it above the video so it gets to the point. I'd be curious to get your take on their opinion, nothing else has emerged yet from more of their opinion that I've found yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by widgetman101 View Post
    For sure, I just posted the image of the ATF letter and put it above the video so it gets to the point. I'd be curious to get your take on their opinion, nothing else has emerged yet from more of their opinion that I've found yet.
    The video I posted sure looks like the shooter isn't moving his finger once per shot fired.
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    Default Re: ATF declares Rare Breed Triggers a machine gun

    Ive talked with a few people online that have them, its not like you just pull the trigger and its F/A.
    Its a bumpfire trigger kind of, you have to learn it. Then again I knew this would happen before I bought one.

    I'm still going to get one if they aren't a ton of money..


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    Default Re: ATF declares Rare Breed Triggers a machine gun

    Quote Originally Posted by GunLawyer001 View Post
    The video I posted sure looks like the shooter isn't moving his finger once per shot fired.
    But he is, abet in a very minute fashion. That's the rub isn't it, the AFT wrote the ruling that says the trigger must reset
    and the shooter must activate the trigger for each shot. This is what's happening on a scale of 1/1000 of an inch of pull
    and resetting in 1/1000 of a second, but it's still happening...

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