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    Default Re: Carry in National parks

    To be safe......use another person's phone, work phone, etc or email using an alias and ask specifically what each location you wish to visit requires BEFORE leaving on the trip.
    This is the only way you would know specifically what you should or should not bring with you if you are so inclined to follow the letter of their rules or the laws.
    Asking a forum will only help you arrive at an answer based on conjecture.
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    Default Re: Carry in National parks

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Vuccla View Post
    To be safe......use another person's phone, work phone, etc or email using an alias and ask specifically what each location you wish to visit requires BEFORE leaving on the trip.
    This is the only way you would know specifically what you should or should not bring with you if you are so inclined to follow the letter of their rules or the laws.
    Asking a forum will only help you arrive at an answer based on conjecture.
    I disagree.

    The random government employee is probably more likely to NOT know the correct specifics, which are pretty uniform, per federal law, than a group of folks with special interest in knowing exactly what is required, because they are the ones at risk if they are not compliant.

    Your suggestion is akin to asking a random gun shop employees or LEO what the law is on some gun-related matter. You *might* get a correct answer, but the depth of knowledge here is far superior, and does include attorneys, LE, and knowledgeable FFLs.

    Depending on the totality of the responses, and the established reputations of those making them, the information here is typically far, far more reliable than "conjecture."
    Last edited by gnbrotz; July 31st, 2021 at 04:14 PM.
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    Default Re: Carry in National parks

    Quote Originally Posted by alpacaheat View Post

    Also the entire GROUNDS of the visitors center. https://www.nps.gov/gett/learn/manag...ndpolicies.htm


    I believe you are incorrect about the visitors center, because the visitors center is owned and operated by a private business (The Gettysburg Foundation), and while yes it is posted with signs heavily, I was always under then impression that it was no different then a grocery store or any other business that has signs posted and isn’t federally owned. The NPS link you posted even states themselves that it’s privately operated:

    “The Gettysburg National Military Park Museum and Visitor Center is owned and operated by the Gettysburg Foundation, which also owns and administers the grounds and parking lots adjacent to the building. The carrying or possession of any type of weapon on the grounds of the visitor center or in the building is prohibited. Exceptions: Law enforcement officers or officials that are within their jurisdiction.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by cham09 View Post
    I believe you are incorrect about the visitors center, because the visitors center is owned and operated by a private business (The Gettysburg Foundation), and while yes it is posted with signs heavily, I was always under then impression that it was no different then a grocery store or any other business that has signs posted and isn’t federally owned. The NPS link you posted even states themselves that it’s privately operated:

    “The Gettysburg National Military Park Museum and Visitor Center is owned and operated by the Gettysburg Foundation, which also owns and administers the grounds and parking lots adjacent to the building. The carrying or possession of any type of weapon on the grounds of the visitor center or in the building is prohibited. Exceptions: Law enforcement officers or officials that are within their jurisdiction.”
    So it's a private property issue where they can kick you out for carrying, but it has no force of law?

    Just like of a store says no weapons, all they can do is tell you to leave

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaceballs View Post
    So it's a private property issue where they can kick you out for carrying, but it has no force of law?

    Just like of a store says no weapons, all they can do is tell you to leave
    They can do more than "just ask you to leave" actually. While true, the signs have no force of law, they don't have to be nice and tell you to leave. They don't even have to say anything, they can just call the police and have you criminally trespassed from the property. Ignoring a clearly marked sign would be pretty hurtful to your case in court, that you didn't/couldn't know you weren't allowed.

    This doesn't happen often with most private businesses, but something to consider. Especially if it's somewhere that's "heavily posted" with no guns signs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R L Suehr View Post
    They can do more than "just ask you to leave" actually. While true, the signs have no force of law, they don't have to be nice and tell you to leave. They don't even have to say anything, they can just call the police and have you criminally trespassed from the property. Ignoring a clearly marked sign would be pretty hurtful to your case in court, that you didn't/couldn't know you weren't allowed.

    This doesn't happen often with most private businesses, but something to consider. Especially if it's somewhere that's "heavily posted" with no guns signs.
    Why do people have to be like that?

    If it were for control freaks like that, no one would feel the need to carry guns in the first place

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    Default Re: Carry in National parks

    I disagree.
    The random government employee is probably more likely to NOT know the correct specifics, which are pretty uniform, per federal law, than a group of folks with special interest in knowing exactly what is required, because they are the ones at risk if they are not compliant.
    While this is true above I'll state 99% of all Natl and State Parks and Forests have a website and many have downloadable (pdf) docs/brochures that outline what you can and cannot do. The same applies to camping and camp grounds. And information services know this making it less unlikely you would get conflicting statements. Going back to what gnbrotz disagrees with on my earlier post, to be sure, it would be best to see and READ the written rules and guidelines for the park or forest you plan to visit beforehand. (totally agreeing with gnbrotz)
    Simple search on US Forest Service which is under the USDA site listed these details below:

    https://usdasearch.usda.gov/search?u...&commit=Search

    Most sites for the individual Natl forests and state forests have the people in charge and their contact info plainly listed. (email and phone numbers). Getting info from the heads or asst. heads of the actual ranger dept is pretty good info but again, not as good as the written policies in place.

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    Default Re: Carry in National parks

    Quote Originally Posted by heatheroo View Post
    CC'ed in Acadia NP last month. No issues.
    Concealed is concealed but while Maine is Constitutional carry there are special rules in the law for Acadia NP and state parks. You need a permit to carry in these places. Maine does issue non-resident permits.

    https://www.mainelegislature.org/leg...e12sec756.html

    Excerpt from Sec 756 2. Possession of firearms. A person may not use or possess a firearm in Acadia National Park except:
    C. Within a mechanical mode of conveyance as long as the firearm is rendered temporarily inoperable or is packed, cased or stored in a manner that prevents its ready use; [PL 2009, c. 607, §1 (NEW).]
    G. When the firearm is a concealed firearm carried by a person to whom a valid permit to carry a concealed firearm has been issued as provided in Title 25, chapter 252. The person must have in that person's possession the permit as required in Title 25, section 2003. [PL 2009, c. 607, §1 (NEW).]
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