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    Default Re: CCW Proof of Residency Validity

    Quote Originally Posted by Carson View Post
    Really?! So what you are saying is that there are some rules to follow.
    Somebody asked a question to you and I'm not sure you answered. Are only bill paying citizens allowed to have LTCFs?

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    Huh, and here I thought that the right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.

    It sure sounds an awful lot like questioning to me.

    Not a lawyer, but I agree with PAMedic. They don't get to just "withdraw" your application for you without a formal approval or denial and a denial would require a reason.

    And putting aside that whole Article 1, Section 21 argument for a moment, not having bills in your name isn't a reason for denial under state law. Sounds like a job for a knowledgeable gun lawyer.
    I am not a lawyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carson View Post
    Really?! So what you are saying is that there are some rules to follow. A sort of book of rules. In this case motor vehicle laws. A motor vehicle code per say.

    And no one is allowed to break any of these rules. Everyone will change their address on the state website within the allotted time limit and print and carry this update with them. Is this what you are saying? And no one will break any of the other rules. Like stopping at stop signs and red lights and using turn signals and driving on the correct side of the roadway and maintain their driving credentials.

    Then why do I see people breaking these rules everyday?
    Because you live in an uncivilized area where it is socially acceptable to be a deviant. Thus why there are so many cops. I*ll observe that the failure to arrest/cite (because nothing we*ll be done by lazy DA/ judges) of numerous low level crimes (like riding quads on streets) leads inevitably to the belief such behavior is acceptable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carson View Post
    Is this your solution to all infractions ? Have you ever sued someone ?

    If it is so easy to sue, why hasn*t everyone sued ?

    Is the air very thin in Juniata County ?

    My preferred method would be dueling pistols, however I think Pennsylvania has a law against it. Thus, denied civilized forms of redress of grievances, we are left only the courts.
    Once. Contractor who did work on the chimney then bounced without completing what he was paid for. I believe there is still a court ordered lean on his property. Wife managed to muddle through it without to much inconvenience other then time. I was in Iraq at the time so wasn*t directly involved.

    Didn*t say it was easy, it costs money, and frankly the courts have made it, deliberately IMO expensive to sue government officials engaged in criminal activity. Which is what is happening here, and as I*ve said, this sheriff should be arrested for his criminal behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAMedic=F|A= View Post
    Didn*t say it was easy, it costs money, and frankly the courts have made it, deliberately IMO expensive to sue government officials engaged in criminal activity. Which is what is happening here, and as I*ve said, this sheriff should be arrested for his criminal behavior.
    GL once pointed out to me that in the case of sheriffs, your first step when suing them takes you in front of the judges that said sheriff protects and regularly interacts with. In other words, you're going before a judge with plenty of reason to be biased against you.

    Personally, I have "had it up to here" with sheriffs behaving unlawfully, no matter how well-intended or minimally intrusive their behavior may be. It is my opinion that we need to fight hard against all unlawful actions by any sheriff, until they start obeying the law. Letting them continue to get away with little things only emboldens them to do more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OwnTheRide View Post

    Personally, I have "had it up to here" with sheriffs behaving unlawfully, no matter how well-intended or minimally intrusive their behavior may be. It is my opinion that we need to fight hard against all unlawful actions by any sheriff, until they start obeying the law. Letting them continue to get away with little things only emboldens them to do more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royinmontco View Post
    Somebody asked a question to you and I'm not sure you answered. Are only bill paying citizens allowed to have LTCFs?
    Of course not. That would be ridiculous. I would hope that Gun-lawyer was being merely sarcastic.

    Knowing what I know about PA DL*s and ID cards, I can understand a sheriff next to Philadelphia wanting to confirm an address being provided with a recently obtained PA DL or ID. It is unfortunate that the OP is affected by the fraud of others and has to produce a second form of residence in the form of a bill. Maybe it is just me, but I never knew anyone older than 19 that didn*t have a bill in their name. But I guess in this day and age that is more common and I would assume the sheriff has an alternative method.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OwnTheRide View Post
    GL once pointed out to me that in the case of sheriffs, your first step when suing them takes you in front of the judges that said sheriff protects and regularly interacts with. In other words, you're going before a judge with plenty of reason to be biased against you.

    Personally, I have "had it up to here" with sheriffs behaving unlawfully, no matter how well-intended or minimally intrusive their behavior may be. It is my opinion that we need to fight hard against all unlawful actions by any sheriff, until they start obeying the law. Letting them continue to get away with little things only emboldens them to do more.
    Which is why I said federal lawsuit. :-). Or point out the conflict of interest and ask for a change in venue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carson View Post
    Of course not. That would be ridiculous. I would hope that Gun-lawyer was being merely sarcastic.

    Knowing what I know about PA DL*s and ID cards, I can understand a sheriff next to Philadelphia wanting to confirm an address being provided with a recently obtained PA DL or ID. It is unfortunate that the OP is affected by the fraud of others and has to produce a second form of residence in the form of a bill. Maybe it is just me, but I never knew anyone older than 19 that didn*t have a bill in their name. But I guess in this day and age that is more common and I would assume the sheriff has an alternative method.


    Then do an investigation, and deny the LTCF caused on the false information. Refer to the proper Leo agency for charges of failing to update address.

    Most of people don*t have bills on their name, or the bills don*t have an address. Up until last month I*m fairly sure my babysitter didn*t have any bills In her name, and she is 21.
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