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Thread: CCW Proof of Residency Validity
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June 14th, 2021, 05:47 PM #21
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June 14th, 2021, 05:52 PM #22
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Apparently only property owners and those that pay bills are allowed to get an LTCF. I wonder how that would go with a similar requirement to vote.
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June 14th, 2021, 06:58 PM #23
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I bet Bucks County Sheriff would accept your PA Voter ID card just like they do at the voter sign in table. You have to be a resident to vote and show ID to prove it.
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June 14th, 2021, 07:40 PM #24
Re: CCW Proof of Residency Validity
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June 14th, 2021, 07:56 PM #25
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So no one ever lied on the form and still signed their signature ?
The sheriff has the authority to conduct an investigation. *That the applicant is an individual concerning whom no good cause exists to deny the license*.
Grant or denial of license- Upon receipt of an application for a LTCF, the sheriff shall, within 45 days, issue or refuse to issue a license on the basis of the investigation under subsection (d) and the accuracy of the information contained in the application.
I believe that ensuring that the submitted information is correct, valid and accurate is reason to use a second source of documentation if a question arises.
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June 14th, 2021, 09:50 PM #26
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June 15th, 2021, 02:49 AM #27
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If the OP is telling the truth, then what we have is NOT the sheriff doing an investigation, but instead the sheriff narrowing the classes of "people eligible for an LTCF" to "people who own mortgaged real estate, are a primary lessor, pay utilities for their entire families, or pay for their own phones in their own names". And at least 2 of that list.
That's nowhere in the statute. If this is correct, and not some subordinate misinterpreting their process, then it's a violation of PA law.
I suppose it's possible that residents of Philly are sick of their anti-gun government denying applications, and are looking to obtain them from adjacent counties in which they have friends. That's a problem, but it doesn't justify re-writing the law. There are plenty of long-term residents of any county, who live with their folks, or with their spouses or significant others, who don't have their names on monthly bills or mortgages or leases.
There are other ways to verify residence. Have a deputy swing by and visit at the applicant's home. Look for contrary evidence of residence in another county. See where their tax withholding is going. Follow them home from work some Tuesday. Aggressively prosecute anyone who lies on the paperwork as unsworn written falsification.
Further, the county requirement isn't the critical to keeping guns away from bad guys, it's arbitrary, and the eligibility requirements are uniform statewide. It's only because some counties make it harder that there's any reason to forum-shop. And out-of-state residents are eligible in any county.Attorney Phil Kline, AKA gunlawyer001@gmail.com
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June 15th, 2021, 04:22 AM #28
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I'm sure they have, but the logic you're supporting is basically the same as saying "ban guns because bad guys use them". You can't impose unlawful additional requirements on others, because of the bad behavior of some, even if you can prove that the bad behavior is taking place.
Correct. One of the disqualifiers is being a "drunkard". The Sheriff can "investigate" that all they want, but they cannot compel me to submit a list of the alcohol in my home, or answer questions (in writing or in person) about my drinking habits. The burden of proof is on the sheriff, and just like the police, one can't be assumed to be guilty simply because they won't "cooperate" when they aren't legally compelled to do so.Get your "Guns Save Lives" stickers today! PM for more info.
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June 15th, 2021, 07:22 AM #29
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Intrusiveness and compelled cooperation are certainly important objections to this, but the fact is that most households have more than 1 person in them, while utilities typically only have 1 name. That leaves the others members of that family without the ability to produce utility bills with their names on them, which then means that the requirement for processing the application becomes an unlawful PROHIBITOR. So being a felon or crackhead means you can't get an LTCF, and now SO DOES LETTING YOUR GIRLFRIEND PAY THE CABLE BILL. Not exactly comparable, and not put into the law by the legislature and Governor. It's an alteration of the statute by a county official.
Just imagine if they made this a requirement for voting.Attorney Phil Kline, AKA gunlawyer001@gmail.com
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June 15th, 2021, 09:42 AM #30
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