Gifting a pistol

[DavidH]

Yeah, as already noted. This info is WRONG.

I had to laugh at the irony.
It's OK. We all make mistakes.

And you, who I*ve DESTROYED in knowledge on numerous occasions.... don*t you get tired of following my posts like a sick, delusional groupie?? It*s actually pretty sad.

[Emptymag]

And you, who I*ve DESTROYED in knowledge on numerous occasions.... don*t you get tired of following my posts like a sick, delusional groupie?? It*s actually pretty sad.

LOL!

The fact that you think that way... that's funny too.

[esh21167]

I*m so annoyed with people speaking thinking they know, but being 100%, unequivocally WRONG! Everyone.... please KNOW the material at hand BEFORE answering! Interpretation is one thing... but this is simply a Yes or No.

In Pennsylvania, a Handgun can be legally transferred, without FFL, between Immediate Family Members. That*s IMMEDIATE...so NO Cousins, Aunts/Uncles, In-Laws...Baby Daddy/Momma*s people! Remember, this is State Law. I do miss Arizona where none of this stupid crap applied! Person to person...Rifle or HANDGUN, barring knowledge of any felony background. I sold several handguns while living there, to complete strangers.

LOL!

The fact that you think that way... that's funny too.

And Arizona is still accepting new residents...

[gnbrotz]

Let me tell you why that*s wrong. *Siblings* aren*t named in the wording of the law either way. If I want to give my sister a pistol, I can give to either my father or mother & in turn, THEY could give it to my sister, their daughter. It could NEVER be, or HAS ever been, prosecuted as it would be both a legal & logistical NIGHTMARE for even the very best prosecutors! Strictly speaking it*s correct, as any entity not specified is grey area, but let me tell you a little story.

I built a pistol years ago for my father. My father passed away last summer and my mother not, having no use for it, allowed my son to take it. But my father & I had previously discussed it would go to my sister, because she admired it so much. I then GAVE the pistol, which is STILL in MY name, to my sister which was my father*s wishes. Now. Do you think I feel the least bit threatened of being prosecuted? I would tell any of Biden*s stooges at the *AFT* or *FuckedBI*... *good luck prosecuting!*

Cousins aren't named in the wording of the law either, and they don't have to be.

There is a BLANKET prohibition, except for the parties specifically named. Your twisting to justify sibling transfers is about the same as saying you can legally give it to a cousin, because it's the same as you giving it to your grandfather, who could in turn give to his other grandson (your cousin). It doesn't pass the smell test.

No prosecutions on record or the difficulty in proving a particular crime occurred does not mean no crime happened.

In the old days, you would have caught an infraction for "lawyering" for your ridiculous interpretation. These days, you're just a laughingstock for the rest of us.

[ROCK-IT3]

And you, who I*ve DESTROYED in knowledge on numerous occasions.... don*t you get tired of following my posts like a sick, delusional groupie?? It*s actually pretty sad.

You seem angry, and I'm trying to figure out why??

Also, are grandparents included in immediate family?

[SevenMilePete]

I*m so annoyed with people speaking thinking they know, but being 100%, unequivocally WRONG! Everyone.... please KNOW the material at hand BEFORE answering! Interpretation is one thing... but this is simply a Yes or No.

In Pennsylvania, a Handgun can be legally transferred, without FFL, between Immediate Family Members. That*s IMMEDIATE...so NO Cousins, Aunts/Uncles, In-Laws...Baby Daddy/Momma*s people! Remember, this is State Law. I do miss Arizona where none of this stupid crap applied! Person to person...Rifle or HANDGUN, barring knowledge of any felony background. I sold several handguns while living there, to complete strangers.

That's actually incorrect. There are several definitions of immediate family in PA. Some include only members of the household. Some include grandparents. But......all include siblings, which the transfer law excludes as a legal transfer without FFL.

[streaker69]

I*m so annoyed with people speaking thinking they know, but being 100%, unequivocally WRONG! Everyone.... please KNOW the material at hand BEFORE answering! Interpretation is one thing... but this is simply a Yes or No.

In Pennsylvania, a Handgun can be legally transferred, without FFL, between Immediate Family Members. That*s IMMEDIATE...so NO Cousins, Aunts/Uncles, In-Laws...Baby Daddy/Momma*s people! Remember, this is State Law. I do miss Arizona where none of this stupid crap applied! Person to person...Rifle or HANDGUN, barring knowledge of any felony background. I sold several handguns while living there, to complete strangers.

Please cite the appropriate law to back up your claims.

[4191775]

Sorry Abner, you are incorrect. Gifting between grandchildren and grandparents does not require an FFL transfer.

§ 6111. Sale or transfer of firearms.

(a) Time and manner of delivery.--

(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), no seller shall deliver a firearm to the purchaser or transferee thereof until 48 hours shall have elapsed from the time of the application for the purchase thereof, and, when delivered, the firearm shall be securely wrapped and shall be unloaded.

(2) Thirty days after publication in the Pennsylvania Bulletin that the Instantaneous Criminal History Records Check System has been established in accordance with the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (Public Law 103-159, 18 U.S.C. § 921 et seq.), no seller shall deliver a firearm to the purchaser thereof until the provisions of this section have been satisfied, and, when delivered, the firearm shall be securely wrapped and shall be unloaded.

(b) Duty of seller.--No licensed importer, licensed manufacturer or licensed dealer shall sell or deliver any firearm to another person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer or licensed collector, until the conditions of subsection (a) have been satisfied and until he has:

(1) For purposes of a firearm as defined in section 6102 (relating to definitions), obtained a completed application/record of sale from the potential buyer or transferee to be filled out in triplicate, the original copy to be sent to the Pennsylvania State Police, postmarked via first class mail, within 14 days of the sale, one copy to be retained by the licensed importer, licensed manufacturer or licensed dealer for a period of 20 years and one copy to be provided to the purchaser or transferee. The form of this application/record of sale shall be no more than one page in length and shall be promulgated by the Pennsylvania State Police and provided by the licensed importer, licensed manufacturer or licensed dealer. The application/record of sale shall include the name, address, birthdate, gender, race, physical description and Social Security number of the purchaser or transferee, the date of the application and the caliber, length of barrel, make, model and manufacturer's number of the firearm to be purchased or transferred. The application/record of sale shall also contain the following question:

Are you the actual buyer of the firearm(s), as defined under 18 Pa.C.S. § 6102 (relating to definitions), listed on this application/record of sale? Warning: You are not the actual buyer if you are acquiring the firearm(s) on behalf of another person, unless you are legitimately acquiring the firearm as a gift for any of the following individuals who are legally eligible to own a firearm:

(1) spouse;

(2) parent;

(3) child;

(4) grandparent; or

(5) grandchild.


Further down in 6111:

(c) Duty of other persons.--Any person who is not a licensed importer, manufacturer or dealer and who desires to sell or transfer a firearm to another unlicensed person shall do so only upon the place of business of a licensed importer, manufacturer, dealer or county sheriff's office, the latter of whom shall follow the procedure set forth in this section as if he were the seller of the firearm. The provisions of this section shall not apply to transfers between spouses or to transfers between a parent and child or to transfers between grandparent and grandchild.

Thanks for the information, but correct me if I'm wrong, I thought both parties had to be residents of the same state for this to be legal, and in this case Pennsylvania.

If anyone knows for sure let me know.

4191775

[gnbrotz]

Thanks for the information, but correct me if I'm wrong, I thought both parties had to be residents of the same state for this to be legal, and in this case Pennsylvania.

If anyone knows for sure let me know.

4191775

That is correct, and was also noted above in posts #10 and #11

[4191775]

That is correct, and was also noted above in posts #10 and #11

gn.. much appreciated and thanks for pointing out where it was covered.

Best regards,

4191775