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June 8th, 2021, 10:50 AM #31
Re: Legality of carrying your permit in your phone
Your own quote gives leeway "Failure to produce such license either at the time of arrest or at the preliminary hearing" So the Photo may keep you out of jail, may not, as long as you present the physical license at the preliminary hearing you are covered. A reasonable individual will conclude the photographic evidence is proof of the physical property which would have the case dismissed at prelims, but at the same time a hard case could make it difficult as well going strictly by the letter of the law.
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June 8th, 2021, 11:14 AM #32
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June 8th, 2021, 11:17 AM #33
Re: Legality of carrying your permit in your phone
Your license on your phone is one thing but LTCF on phone says 'find guns here'. But I guess if someone found or stole my phone they would see all my guns and ammo apps anyway so better use a PIN or password. Just PIN protected mine this morning, thanks to this thread.
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June 8th, 2021, 11:24 AM #34
Re: Legality of carrying your permit in your phone
While it is usually in the early morning, the computer system goes down for maintenance. Then what?
This shouldn*t be so complicated. Carry the original or a very good photo copy of it or a photo/document scan on your phone. Have it as a Lock Screen so you don*t have to open the phone.
I have everything in my phone as either a photo or a scan. DL, city ID, car reg, car ins, passport, TSA precheck card, work schedule, COVID vax card , MPO card, medical insurance card, library card (just kidding), photos of firearm serial numbers, etc.
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June 9th, 2021, 02:40 PM #35Banned
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Re: Legality of carrying your permit in your phone
While you are certainly right about cops not being a reliable source of info, "My attorney said" is equally useless when you're on the side of a road trying to convince a cop not to remind you why most people don't like or trust cops.
I have had cops tell me that a legal notarized opinion issued by the Pa attorney general was insufficient proof i was behaving in a professionally legal manner. The words "this could be a forgery" let me know immediately i was dealing with "that guy."
I have had cops threaten to arrest me for informing them that they were completely mistaken and providing the pa statute on my phone or on hard copy at the scene. (I'm a retired private investigator)
I think this is an issue where, if you run into "that guy", you better have your permit on your person.
In any case, i contacted the sheriffs office and was told you MUST carry the card on your person.
I have on one occasion presented an image of my drivers license on my phone, and it had an image of my LTCF in the same frame. The cop in question didn't care about being given a photo for the DL, and he didn't even bother to ask about whether or not I was carrying a gun or not.
Bottom line, this is clearly a "that guy" issue. So to be safe, be sure to carry the card. I would also carry an image of it on your phone, just in case.
One other bit of advice, i always send a photo of my license to my trusted relatives. i had a relative long ago get beat up and locked up by the philly pd, who conveniently tossed his license to carry in the gutter and arrested him for illegally carrying a firearm. His attorney was able to show up at the Popo district with a copy of the license and get him released before formal charges were pressed.
He ran into several "that guys" that night.Last edited by V300; June 9th, 2021 at 02:59 PM.
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June 9th, 2021, 02:51 PM #36Banned
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Re: Legality of carrying your permit in your phone
What i was really hoping to get out of this thread was a court decision on this issue.
I'm sure at some point someone has been arrested for just having a photo copy or an image on a phone, and one would imagine that said person fought it in court and there was a ruling on it, one way or another.
But i do also rather suspect that most cops would be fine with a photo on your phone, or a photo copy, and that most DA's would be too. So you'd have to get a double whammy of a "that guy" cop and a "that guy" DA to get jammed up over this. Which, though unlikely, can and does happen.
However, the safest answer is obviously "carry the card on you."
Which is great...but also not foolproof. As my relative who was arrested after the cops stole/lost/threw away his permit and then arrested him for carrying illegally can attest to.
The bottom line is that there is no legal protection from a sufficiently corrupt cop when you are standing on the side of the road at 3am.
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June 9th, 2021, 02:57 PM #37Banned
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Re: Legality of carrying your permit in your phone
Then it's up to the cop. Your demeanor, manner of dress, race, hairstyle, attitude and background and the cops prejudices, hobbies and pet peeves may all determine whether you get to go to jail or not.
If the cop is a veteran who likes mustangs and you're a veteran in a mustang, you're probably not going to jail. On the flip side his wife might have left him for an ex paratrooper that drives a mustang, in which case you're probably fked.
I believe someone posted in this thread as long as you can present the hard copy of the ID (or i'd assume a letter from the issuing agency) at the prelim the charges will be dropped, so at least that's something.
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June 15th, 2021, 07:34 PM #39
Re: Legality of carrying your permit in your phone
"Cives Arma Ferant"
"I know I'm not James Bond, that's why I don't keep a loaded gun under the pillow, or bang Russian spies on a regular basis." - GunLawyer001
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June 15th, 2021, 07:53 PM #40
Re: Legality of carrying your permit in your phone
And yet the law for a driver's license says clearly it must be carried at all times. No exception. LTCF must only be produced. I can produce my tax statement for the last few years, and am required to do so under demand by the IRS. I can produce the title's for the cars, I can produce my children's birth certificates and social security cards, but I do not carry them on my person
§ 1511. Carrying and exhibiting driver's license on demand.
(a) General rule.--Every licensee shall possess a driver's
license issued to the licensee at all times when driving a motor
vehicle and shall exhibit the license upon demand by a police
officer, and when requested by the police officer the licensee
shall write the licensee's name in the presence of the officer
in order to provide identity.
Not sure why you replied to me. I agree with you. Unlike Steve. Although to answer your first line, they're required to be available 24/7 for confirmation. Going down for any reason isn't an option or allowed by law. So whoever is working should be criminally charged by the officer involved. If, God forbid, some poor innocent person is arrested because the cop in say, ohio can't verify a LTCF, then additional charges for deprivation of liberty should of course, be added. It is 2021, there is no reason any critical computer system should ever be down, and no reason the paper records shouldn't be kept up to date daily."Cives Arma Ferant"
"I know I'm not James Bond, that's why I don't keep a loaded gun under the pillow, or bang Russian spies on a regular basis." - GunLawyer001
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