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    Default Re: ATF proposed rule to change Definition of “Frame or Receiver”

    Typical ATF confusion for everyone and based on what law?

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    Default Re: ATF proposed rule to change Definition of “Frame or Receiver”

    Submit comments by the hundred of thousands so a lawsuit doesn't have to be funded..... Or worse.

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    Default Re: ATF proposed rule to change Definition of “Frame or Receiver”

    Licensees must:
    Do you have an FFL? No? Then you're not a "Licensee"
    "It seems that the Constitution is more or less guidelines than actual rules"
    My feedback: http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=305685

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    Default Re: ATF proposed rule to change Definition of “Frame or Receiver”

    Let's clarify a few things here:

    Page 38:
    emphasis mine
    This proposed definition explains that PMFs are those firearms that were made by nonlicensees without the markings required by this part,

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    Federal firearms licensees record more than one manufacturer, importer, or serial number, if appropriate, when acquiring or disposing of firearms with multiple components marked as the frame or receiver, or that have been remanufactured or reimported by another licensee
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    or if licensee, name and License No.*
    This would resolve a significant problem that ATF Industry Operations Investigators have when trying to reconcile the inventory of a Federal firearms licensee, and that Federal firearms licensees have when timely responding to trace requests, particularly when old A&D Records are *closed out* and stored, which, under this proposed rule, could be in a separate warehouse depending on their age (see Section II.J of the preamble).

    It is my understanding, that as stated by a previous post by ExFlyinguy, 'licensee' is one with a FFL or licensed manufacturer. And, this requirement to 'mark' is required by said licensees.
    Last edited by jacksnack; May 8th, 2021 at 09:17 AM.
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    Default Re: ATF proposed rule to change Definition of “Frame or Receiver”

    What concerns me more is the definition of a firearm to include:

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    Unlike the prior definitions of *frame or receiver* that were rigidly tied to three specific fire control components (i.e., those necessary for the firearm to initiate or complete the firing sequence), the new regulatory definition is intended to be general enough to encompass changes in technology and parts terminology. With respect to the fire control components housed by the frame or receiver, the definition would include, at a minimum, any housing or holding structure for a hammer, bolt, bolt carrier, breechblock, cylinder, trigger mechanism, firing pin, striker, or slide rails.
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    Finally, the definition would make clear to persons who may acquire or possess a part now defined as a *frame or receiver* that is identified with a serial number that they must presume, absent an official determination by ATF or other reliable evidence to the contrary, that the part is a firearm *frame or receiver* without further guidance.
    It is my understanding this could include UPPER receivers as well, and NOW require a background check to purchase.
    Last edited by jacksnack; May 8th, 2021 at 09:16 AM. Reason: Add emphasis.
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    Default Re: ATF proposed rule to change Definition of “Frame or Receiver”

    Jack I agree with your assessments. The most important aspect to me is the degree of subjectivity and gray area this would introduce. This would then allow select prosecution of ideological enemies. IMO this is the biggest reason to write an opposing comment ASAP.

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    Default Re: ATF proposed rule to change Definition of “Frame or Receiver”

    And now you know why the Dems are desperate to stack the Court with rubber-stamping DNC team players.
    Attorney Phil Kline, AKA gunlawyer001@gmail.com
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    Default Re: ATF proposed rule to change Definition of “Frame or Receiver”

    Quote Originally Posted by GunLawyer001 View Post
    And now you know why the Dems are desperate to stack the Court with rubber-stamping DNC team players.
    Well if the court denies us our rights, we have a duty to use the last box available to us.
    F*#K THE ATF

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    Default Re: ATF proposed rule to change Definition of “Frame or Receiver”

    Quote Originally Posted by KPShooting View Post
    Well if the court denies us our rights, we have a duty to use the last box available to us.
    Your votes and opinions on this will matter just as greatly as your votes for TRUMP.

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