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    Default Re: Supreme Court to hear first major Second Amendment case in a decade

    Are we assuming Barret is going to vote with the left? Wouldn't it be 5-4 without Roberts if she doesn't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by R L Suehr View Post
    Are we assuming Barret is going to vote with the left? Wouldn't it be 5-4 without Roberts if she doesn't?
    That's right. It's why her ascension to the bench was key. It takes out the Roberts effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R L Suehr View Post
    Are we assuming Barret is going to vote with the left? Wouldn't it be 5-4 without Roberts if she doesn't?
    Good assumption if you trust Cavanaugh to vote pro second.
    This upcoming case have both sides of the issue feeling uncomfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c45man View Post
    Good assumption if you trust Cavanaugh to vote pro second.
    This upcoming case have both sides of the issue feeling uncomfortable.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox...-amendment.amp

    He joined with Thomas on a similar issue last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSimonetti View Post
    Also Roberts has made it his job to protect the Judicial Branch against charges of politicization. That's why he can never forgive Trump for exposing the truth and why for the most part he's going to continue to park his votes with the liberal minority, and vote to maintain the status quo whenever possible. He will allow few if any important 6-3 decisions to break along political lines. I suspect he feels that 5-4 decisions help preserve the integrity of the court in his mind since the media will continue to portray him as a conservative who is "doing the right thing". He wants to be the new Justice Kennedy and get all of the accolades. Also, in my opinion, one cannot completely discount the rumors that Roberts is compromised and threatened in a personal way by some nefarious deep state entities who have something on him.
    Why in the world would he have constructed Obama care into "taxation" if they did not have something on him?
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    Default Re: Supreme Court to hear first major Second Amendment case in a decade

    Ecclesiastes 10:2 ...........

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    Default Re: Supreme Court to hear first major Second Amendment case in a decade

    There are nuances to the submission and the courts limited cert grant.

    The boundaries may be much narrower than expected.

    "Why did the Court rewrite the question presented in this Second Amendment case?"
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    Default Re: Supreme Court to hear first major Second Amendment case in a decade

    Current timeline of the case. Sounds like it could be a while before this is heard.

    Date Proceedings and Orders (key to color coding)
    Dec 17 2020 Petition for a writ of certiorari filed. (Response due January 22, 2021)
    Dec 23 2020 Blanket Consent filed by Petitioner, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc., et al.
    Jan 08 2021 Motion to extend the time to file a response from January 22, 2021 to February 22, 2021, submitted to The Clerk.
    Jan 11 2021 Motion to extend the time to file a response is granted and the time is extended to and including February 22, 2021.
    Jan 21 2021 Brief amici curiae of Firearms Policy Coalition and Firearms Policy Foundation filed.
    Jan 22 2021 Brief amicus curiae of Korte Enterprises, LLC, d/b/a Korte Tree Care filed.
    Jan 22 2021 Brief amici curiae of State of Missouri.et al. filed.
    Jan 22 2021 Brief amici curiae of Law Enforcement Groups and State and Local Firearms Rights Groups filed.
    Feb 12 2021 Brief amicus curiae of Neal Goldfarb filed. (Brief corrected 3/1/21)
    Feb 22 2021 Brief of respondents Keith M. Corlett, et al. in opposition filed.
    Mar 10 2021 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of 3/26/2021.
    Mar 10 2021 Reply of petitioners New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc., et al. filed. (Distributed)
    Mar 29 2021 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of 4/1/2021.
    Apr 12 2021 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of 4/16/2021.
    Apr 19 2021 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of 4/23/2021.
    Apr 26 2021 Petition GRANTED limited to the following question: Whether the State's denial of petitioners' applications for concealed-carry licenses for self-defense violated the Second Amendment.

    May 07 2021 Motion for an extension of time file the briefs on the merits filed.

    May 11 2021 Motion to extend the time to file the briefs on the merits granted. The time to file the joint appendix and petitioners' brief on the merits is extended to and including July 2, 2021. The time to file respondents' brief on the merits is extended to and including August 23, 2021.

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    Default Re: Supreme Court to hear first major Second Amendment case in a decade

    Quote Originally Posted by 45Doll View Post
    There are nuances to the submission and the courts limited cert grant.

    The boundaries may be much narrower than expected.

    "Why did the Court rewrite the question presented in this Second Amendment case?"
    Re-writing the question is very common. Why they wrote it that way who knows. My first thought when I saw it was that they may try to pull a Peruta and rule that CCW can be banned or severely regulated, and not touch open carry. Then again I thought why bother to take up a case like this only to turn around and basically punt on the larger issue (public carry)? Doesn't make sense and we already know Thomas & Gorsuch derided the Peruta opinion, and Kavanaugh (w/Thomas) votes to hear the NJ case Rogers.

    So I'm thinking they wrote the question as watered down as possible. In essence, yes, it is about plaintiffs' CCW applications. The court though still has to come up with a rationale why it comes up with whatever opinion it comes up with.

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